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Women’s Equality: It Starts with Us or it Stays an Illusion

By: Gini Dietrich | February 21, 2013 | 
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A couple of weeks ago, Sam Fiorella wrote an interesting blog post called, “Under-Representation of Women in Corporate and Political Offices.”

In it, he discusses how women make up more than half the population in the United States and comprise nearly 47 percent of the jobs, yet less than 20 percent hold executive seats in either boardrooms or political offices.

When I commented on the post, I talked about how, while some men are beginning to stay home to be the caretakers, it’s not what comes naturally to them. It’s not yet societally acceptable for men to work inside the home, raising kids and taking care of a house.

Think about it from your perspective.

When you hear about someone’s partner who is a stay-at-home dad, what’s your first thought?

I can almost guarantee it’s not a good one.

Because of cultural norms and even because of good, old hard wiring, we tend to be the ones focused on raising kids while our male counterparts work outside of the home. Not all of us (I certainly am not that way), but a very high percentage of us.

We Let Up When it’s Time for Promotion

In May 2011, Sheryl Sandberg – the COO of Facebook – gave a commencement speech at Barnard, an all-women’s college. During the 20 minute speech (which is well worth the watch, if you haven’t already seen it), she talks about why women aren’t given more leadership roles and why we still don’t have equality.

Her reasoning? We tend to let up for promotions when we think it’s time to get married and again when we think it’s time to have a baby (or babies). Not when we do those things. When we think it’s time.

Women almost never make one decision to leave the workforce.  It doesn’t happen that way.  They make small little decisions along the way that eventually lead them there.  Maybe it’s the last year of med school when they say, I’ll take a slightly less interesting specialty because I’m going to want more balance one day.  Maybe it’s the fifth year in a law firm when they say, I’m not even sure I should go for partner, because I know I’m going to want kids eventually.

I tend to agree with her. I’ve run a marketing communications firm in Chicago for nearly eight years and I’ve found the exact, same thing with the young women in our office. Which, by-the-way, is extremely frustrating for this leader who provides the flexibility most women want.

It’s not our fault. It’s ingrained. It’s natural. It’s in our DNA.

Women-Owned Businesses

But there’s good news coming out of National Association of Women Business Owners and web.com about the state of women-owned businesses.

It turns out the crazy economy of 2008-2011 created a reason for women to take matters into their own hands: Eighty-five percent of those surveyed predict more women will start businesses this year.

And, for those who already run businesses, 81 percent are optimistic about growth this year and 74 percent are confident about the economic outlook of their organizations (I concur).

Of course, this doesn’t speak to equality or women in the c-suite for the Fortune 10 companies or in the top branches of political office. But it does mean more and more women are contributing to the health of our economy through job creation, innovative products and services, and getting closer to the elusive work/life balance.

We’re Our Own Worst Enemies

But there’s a secondary problem.

This past Sunday, Danica Patrick won pole position at the Daytona 500. During her interview she said she doesn’t want to be the best female racer; she wants to be the best racer period.

And then the jokes lit up my Facebook and Twitter streams.

She won “pole” position. She’s hot. People made jokes related to strippers. And I threw up in my mouth a little.

It wasn’t just men. Women were playing along, too. I don’t know if that’s out of jealousy and being catty or if some of us really believe it’s okay to take away a big achievement from a woman by making jokes about her dancing on a pole.

I’ve written before about how we’re our own worst enemies. We’re hardwired to be mean to one another. But that doesn’t mean we have to be.

Women’s Equality

If we truly want equality in the workforce. If we truly want to be in the executive suite. If we truly want to be the very best at our job, not the best woman, but the best overall. We have to stop letting these things happen.

We have to stop taking our foot off the gas pedal when we think we might be getting married or ready to have babies. We have to stop buying products from companies that use sex and women to sell. We have to stop allowing jokes to be made about other successful women.

It starts with us. We have to lead the change. If we don’t, we’ll continue to moan about how it’s not fair and it’s not equal while nothing changes.

A version of this first appeared on the Sensei Marketing blog.

About Gini Dietrich


Gini Dietrich is the founder and CEO of Arment Dietrich, an integrated marketing communications firm. She is the author of Spin Sucks, co-author of Marketing in the Round, and co-host of Inside PR. She also is the lead blogger at Spin Sucks and is the founder of Spin Sucks Pro.

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ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago
YES! I’m a Danica fan and I couldn’t agree more.   Did you know that before she switched to NASCAR, her old circuit (F1?…obviously I’m not a huge fan or I’d know), but they changed the rules to make the weight of the car include the driver. She weighs less and that helps performance compared to her male counterparts, but they have more muscle mass and it is grueling sport, so I figured it equaled out. They didn’t want it to equal out and the massive weight they had to add to her car, to make up the difference, really… Read more »
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago
@ExtremelyAvg A few years ago, I got one of those all-day driving classes where you can drive a stock car on the track. First, it was FREAKING AMAZING. I was driving 168 mph. Amazing. But you know what they told us? Women are better drivers because we listen, we think about where the car is going to go before it goes there, and we don’t get angry. The instructor said, “Watch what happens. If you don’t follow my rules, you won’t get up to the high speeds. If you do, you can get up to 170 mph.”   I was the… Read more »
Erika Napoletano
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich  @ExtremelyAvg Now I want to go drive race cars with Gini, not just ride bikes with her 🙂

ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@Erika Napoletano  @ExtremelyAvg IT WAS SO FUN!

ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich Whenever I’ve played with women who golf in college, they play from the “tips”. It is only in competition that they are forced to move up. Great point!

ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich On another note…all-day driving…so COOL!
 
Oh, and to back up your point, being from the auto-insurance business, women are charged less because they get in fewer wrecks from 18-25. It evens out after that.
 
In health insurance, they are charged more, not because of sexism, because they have the potential to give birth (not an inexpensive endeavor)..and some do it multiple times. If guys bore the children, we’d say “fuck it, I’m done.” And thus, less exposure to risk.
 
It is just math.

ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg LOL!!

KristenDaukas
3 years 5 months ago
Quite frankly it ticked me off. As the mother to 3 girls, I am doing my best to raise them in a “no boundaries” environment. There is nothing that I won’t let them try – they need to figure out for themselves if they’re good at it and if they like something. And then, I get to turn them into the world where they’re met with conflicting messages of “you can’t” and THIS! this is what you’re supposed to do! This is how you should look. I could go on and on.. it’s a common theme on my personal blog.… Read more »
ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

@KristenDaukas I have a friend on Twitter who is a rabid NASCAR fan. She hate Danika with a white hot passion. I don’t understand why.

ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg  @KristenDaukas It might be because women are hardwired to be catty and mean. It’s in our DNA to tear down other successful women. You have to actually work very hard not to do it. It has to be a very conscious and constant action.

ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich  @KristenDaukas That sounds awful. Do you think it is a global phenomenon? Or is it American women?
 
I ask because of the book, “Perfect Madness: Motherhood in the Age of Anxiety”. I read it, though I’m not really the target demographic, because of a fantastic review in the Washington Post. Great book!
 
In it she demonstrates how American Women are nuts and French women have children without hating themselves. (I paraphrase, of course, but that is the gist and she makes a strong case)

Erika Napoletano
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg  @ginidietrich  @KristenDaukas Admittedly, women ARE horrible to one another in many regards. But I like to think we’re also incredibly gracious to one another as well. It takes a certain self-confidence to look at ANY other human being and appreciate their success, beauty, and accomplishments without feeling threatened. And I’ve always thought that what people say about someone says more about them than it does the person in question.

ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg  @KristenDaukas I think French women also get to breastfeed in public and drink wine and not have anyone look down on them.

katskrieger
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich  @ExtremelyAvg  @KristenDaukas I breastfeed in public and could give 2 craps what anyone thinks.

ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich  @KristenDaukas The thing that I remember most from the book is French women don’t feel guilty about EVERYTHING. The stories of the self-abuse the women from the U.S. put themselves through, because of their competition with other mothers (cattiness) was horrific.
 
The French women feel that if they are happy in life, their children will be better served. At least, that was the author’s perspective.
 
I lived in Lyon for one summer in 1995 and I saw much of what she discussed, so it seemed reasonable to me.

ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

@katskrieger  @ginidietrich  @KristenDaukas Yes, but it you stop at six months or a year and the neighbor continues until age six, (or vice versa) will there be cattiness between you two?

katskrieger
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg  @ginidietrich  @KristenDaukas Maybe because I live in New York, I am jaded or care less about the neighbors. My youngest is 19 months and I still breastfeed her. But I didnt always feel so comfortable. I felt ashamed with my oldest daughter and self-conscious. Once I realized it was some bs view society was putting on me and decided I was going to do what felt right for both of us. 
 
On the business side, I work in a company that is 80% women if not more and shockingly it is not a catty workplace.

ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

@katskrieger  @ginidietrich  @KristenDaukas I guess my point was, I’ve seen women on twitter fighting between the stop after so many months and go until fiver or six year crowd. They seem to be missing the point you just made, that it should be natural.

JoeCardillo
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich  @ExtremelyAvg  @KristenDaukas I disagree with a whole bunch of people I guess. Humans are awful to each other in general, and I think that’s expressed in variety of ways.
 
I don’t buy the “women are catty and never forget but men can get angry and have a beer afterwards” thing. I mean, I buy it that occurs , but I don’t believe that’s some DNA / genetic hardwiring, I think it’s a social construct because of the roles we are taught to fulfill.

RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago
@JoeCardillo  @ginidietrich  @ExtremelyAvg  @KristenDaukas I am with you there, Joe. I think men do lots of grudge holding, and women do lots of “talk it out now”. At least the women I choose to keep around. And the men I choose to hang with can also talk feelings like big boys without having to punch or drink. I do not at all believe it is DNA. My mother did a wonderful job of raising me to be aware of this stereotypical tendency in women from a young age. She would not tolerate catty talk or snark in her house. She always taught us that someone else’s… Read more »
belllindsay
belllindsay
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg  @KristenDaukas Because she’s hotter than a cat on a hot tin roof.

ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@KristenDaukas I can’t figure out why we do this. I mean, it’s like your blog post about average sizes for women. WHO CARES? There is NO discussion about average sizes for men. My husband can take a long weekend to Jamaica with me and eat everything in sight and think nothing about it…and neither does anyone around us. But if I were to do that? I can just hear what people would say… “Where does she put it all?” “If she keeps eating like that, she’s going to get fat.” Drives me freaking nuts.

ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich  @KristenDaukas You women are really sucky to one another. As I said, below, I love tennis. It is well known that on the tour, the men’s locker room is filled with a bunch of guys who, for the most part, like each other and play x-box between matches.
 
In the women’s locker room it is all individuals who won’t talk to one another.

ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg  @KristenDaukas So common. We’re really awful to one another. Guys can get mad at one another and then go have a beer. Women get mad at one another and never forgive or forget.

ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago
@ginidietrich  @KristenDaukas I seem to have a lot of strong opinions for 6:53 in the morning, but on the subject of “sizes”, what the hell is up with that?!   I used to answer phones at JCrew and I once got to talk to a model who’s mother had been one of the original women for Richard Avadon (First Fashion Photography Editor…EVER) She herself was a world class model and her daughter became one, too.   She was delightful to talk to, and though she was one of those customers that we were suppose to transfer to “special” helpers, she said… Read more »
JenniferGoodeStevens
JenniferGoodeStevens
3 years 5 months ago

That’s not limited to arguments between women. 🙂 My husband and I have a fight and yell and he’s over it. I’m still mad the next day maybe, or at least by dinner when he comes home all, “Honey, I’m home!” Shut yer pie hole, man. I’m still pissed.

ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@JenniferGoodeStevens Shut yer pie hole, man. LOL!!! It’s true.

RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg  @ginidietrich  @KristenDaukas Not all. Please do not paint us all with that brush. Some of us celebrate each other’s successes.

RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg  @ginidietrich  @KristenDaukas Yes vanity sizing is really weird.  My mum has been known to tell people that if they are a size zero, that means they don’t exist (which is sizeist too, but also funny).

KristenDaukas
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich It starts with us and we have to teach our young people. Whether they belong to us or not. We also have to push back on what society says (ahem.. marketers) that we should all be like. It’s probably the reason I don’t have a ton of female friends.. I don’t play that game.

rdopping
rdopping
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich @KristenDaukas suck it up buttercup……..naaa, tell THEM to suck it. The problem also lies within us. People will always talk.

RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich  @KristenDaukas OK, People are only saying that because you are a wee little pocket angel, G. I mean physically where does the food go?

katskrieger
3 years 5 months ago

@KristenDaukas Yes, yes and yes! Mom to 2 girls and they are at home with their Dad during the day (though in our case ‘at home’ means he is taking them on city-wide adventures 5 days a week).

Erika Napoletano
3 years 5 months ago
Just heaving this out there, and I know it won’t be popular. Do you feel that any of this backlash comes from her participation in racy ad campaigns for GoDaddy? Having been on the receiving end of people thinking they have license to say whatever vulgar stuff they do to/about me on account of my digital love for the f-bomb, having tattoos, etc., I feel there’s a connection.   Is it right? Not in the slightest. But repeated incidents in my world led to a rebranding — and in my case, for the better. Danica’s talented AND gorgeous (heavens to… Read more »
ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago
@Erika Napoletano You might be right about backlash, but anyone who has decided to hate her for her looks, is wrong.  Endorsements are part of the business of professional sports.   It is poor business not to pursue streams of viable revenue. I’ll not be getting any modeling gigs, but if middle-aged, balding and short every catches on (I’m sure 2014 is the year) I’m all over it!   Admittedly, I first clicked on your blog because of your appearance. I’ve returned because of the writing. You get one click for cute, you get repeat customers for talent. Nothing wrong… Read more »
Erika Napoletano
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg I’m not at all saying leveraging her looks is a poor business play. I’m just saying the WAY she’s leveraged them has to be taken into consideration.
 
And thank you for the click, the read, and the return. I’ve delighted in having you in my community for several years now 🙂

ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

@Erika Napoletano Admittedly, I’ve not done a good job of commenting. Still, it has been fun watching how you’ve grown. I could learn a thing or two.

Walker Thornton
Walker Thornton
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg  @Erika Napoletano Endorsements are part of pro sports, but not many of the men are promoted for their looks. I have to agree with Erika that Patrick allowed herself to be objectified as a hot chick–that doesn’t and shouldn’t negate her talent.

ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

@Walker Thornton  @Erika Napoletano Actually, male CEO’s are disproportionally taller than average.
An investor in Canada built a portfolio of successful, but unattractive and short males, figuring they had to work harder. I wish I could remember the name, but it has performed at levels that rival Warren Buffett.

HowieG
HowieG
3 years 5 months ago
@ExtremelyAvg  @Walker Thornton  @Erika Napoletano I agree with you Erika. The reason Alex Rodriguez has the nickname Gay-Rod is the spread he did in GQ shirtless giving himself googily eyes in the mirror. And as Brian said he got paid who cares. Being someone with tattoos and ears pierced I am well aware that if I see certain possible clients the earrings might not be over come by a sharp suit. When I worked in uptight aerospace/military industries engineers would be looking at my ear (at the time only one was pierced) because they could see a little hole but weren’t sure.… Read more »
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago
@Erika Napoletano I don’t disagree with the image she has created for herself. I imagine some of it was done due to counsel of very expensive experts who said, “This is your audience.” And let’s be real, we all know who the NASCAR audience is. But come on. Making stripper jokes when she wins pole position? It’s too far. She’s made some sexy ads. She’s a gorgeous woman. It doesn’t make it okay to degrade her accomplishments because of that. Not only is she the first female driver to do this, she beat freaking Jeff Gordon. Let’s let her have the… Read more »
belllindsay
belllindsay
3 years 5 months ago
@ginidietrich  @Erika Napoletano @margieclayman Erika, as you and Margie have both said, I think it’s true that women use their best assets (and yeah, she does have’em – rawr!) when promoting themselves. I also follow the line of “If you’re in the public eye, and make a living appealing to and off of the public, then don’t complain when you get teased/dissed/insulted or your garbage gets picked through (in Hollywood, for example).” Is it fair? Of course not. But it’s part of the (very lucrative) territory. And no one is going to convince me that it doesn’t happen with men also. Look at… Read more »
ryancox
3 years 5 months ago
@belllindsay  @ginidietrich  @Erika Napoletano  @margieclayman I got out of bed because Lindsay told me to. This is a very worthwhile conversation because so many excellent points are being made by women, that if made by men the collect ‘net would quickly run to ‘sexism’ comparisons.    Like Erika said: Danica is in power of her own ‘branding’ Like Gini alluded to in the post: I never really looked at it in the “way women/men are wired” mentality…but when you made the comment Gini about ‘stay at home Dad, what is your first gut response’ (I’m paraphrasing a bit) .. I was shocked by my own first… Read more »
HowieG
HowieG
3 years 5 months ago

@belllindsay  @ginidietrich  @Erika Napoletano  @margieclayman i think it comes down to is no one says she can’t be a kickass racer and a sex symbol. It is her chosen vision as a sex symbol of a red neck hooters stripper vs a classy elegant model that seems to be the kicker? No one says these same things about Elle or Julia Roberts or Jennifer Aniston (at least not in my social circles)

AmyMccTobin
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich  @Erika Napoletano I thought you wore heels because you were 5’2″. I’m 5’10”, and I wore them religiously when I was in the carpet industry because towering over a tall man was a great equalizer, or at least it changed the dynamics.  I did NOT, however, show cleavage or flirt with them in a sexual way.   It is FINE to be attractive, it is not ok to sell your sex and then complain when people objectify you.

JoeCardillo
3 years 5 months ago

@AmyMccTobin  @ginidietrich  @Erika Napoletano And if I may point out, if you care about being attractive because it makes YOU feel good, then go for it. I’ll never be accused of overgrooming, but I like being good to myself and anyone should be able to do that without being slung in the mud. As you pointed out Amy (and I think others too) that’s not exactly what Danica is doing.

AmyMccTobin
3 years 5 months ago

@Erika Napoletano I think the backlash is because she wants it both ways.  I don’t complain about the playmate-girlfriend chicks. I don’t want my daughter to BE one, but I understand that they are trading in the easiest currency they have….  but not pretending to be feminists.  Danica wants it both ways – to do ‘naked’ commercials but yet be treated like ‘one of the guys.’

PattiRoseKnight
PattiRoseKnight
3 years 5 months ago
I have been fighting the women’s rights movement since the 60’s; I’ve seen women do the exact same job as a man when I worked at a large PR firm but get paid substantially less – fair? no it’s not but it’s the way it is.     And, people are cruel.  People compare our president to Hitler and make jokes about President Lincoln’s assassination.  So I’m not surprised what they said about Danica – like I said people are cruel that is just a fact.   The good news is that my grandmother told me stories about when women… Read more »
margieclayman
margieclayman
3 years 5 months ago
It’s hard for me to feel bad for Danica Patrick after her ads with GoDaddy. This is a problem I see a lot of women bring upon themselves. “I don’t want to be treated like a woman, I want to be treated like a person. Why do you look at me as just a sex object?” Then they do commercials like the ones she and Jillian Michaels did. You can’t have your cake and eat it too in these cases. If you want respect you have to earn it. If you want to be treated as a person with substance,… Read more »
ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

@margieclayman You sell me short. I respect her greatly. I respect all world class professionals in any sport.
 
Just because someone markets one of their positives, in this case, attractiveness, it doesn’t mean that all people will only see that aspect. Some will, I grant you, but would you respect her more if she chose to be stupid and turn down a huge financial opportunity?

margieclayman
margieclayman
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg I’m not sure how that’s selling YOU short. And I’m not saying it’s a bad thing to accentuate your positives. I’m just saying if you want people to recognize you for your skills and not as a sex object, you need to accentuate your skills and not your sexitude. If you accentuate your sexitude, that is what people will think you want to be noticed for, and they’ll happily oblige.

RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago

@margieclayman  @ExtremelyAvg Hmmmm see I just don’t understand why sexitude and competency can not happily coexist. Were her Go Daddy ads trashy? Yes but that’s what the peeps wanted. So she happened to win two lotteries- looks and skills. Personally I think that gets a “You go (daddy) girl!”

rdopping
rdopping
3 years 5 months ago
What a crazy world. Because I am a man (debatable from my wife’s perspective, I’m sure) it is infinitely more difficult to understand a woman’s perspective. Sure, I KNOW what you are talking about but haven’t lived it. It’s the same as racial inequality. Until you FEEL it you can’t really understand it.   The pole position thing is an eventuality, in those situations, that is going to be difficult to beat. Maybe chalk that up to the gear heads that are into that sport. Oops. Did I just profile? Darn, didn’t mean to. The most caring, open-minded, intelligent, worldly types of… Read more »
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@rdopping First of all, your description of NASCAR fans made me laugh out loud. Secondly, amen. AMEN!!

rdopping
rdopping
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich I aim to please.

ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

Ladies and Gentlemen. It has been a fun start to this blog post. If I wrote my novels as quickly as I was banging out my rants, I’d be able to crank out one per week.
 
Now, I’m off to bed. You’re all smart, beautiful and should each be getting endorsement deals for your girlish good looks…especially Ralph.

ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg You haven’t been to bed yet?

ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich No, I’ve been really sick and sleeping 20 hours per day for the last three days. I think the illness has broken, but my sleep pattern is a bit messed up.
 
The sun is up. Shrug and sigh.

ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg Holy cow! I’m so sorry. I didn’t know. Go back to bed!

ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich It’s okay, I’m past it now. I really wanted to go to sleep around 4 am, but it didn’t take. I think I’ll try again. This has been a blast though. You have such delightful readers.

HowieG
HowieG
3 years 5 months ago

@ExtremelyAvg  @ginidietrich make sure you drink warm milk and have a maple dount Brian you will slee like a baby!

ExtremelyAvg
3 years 5 months ago

@HowieG  @ginidietrich Thanks. That is very sound advice.

HowieG
HowieG
3 years 5 months ago
First yes Danica winning the pole is a HUGE boon for Women’s Equality.   But she sabotages that with her sexist misogynist Go Daddy spots.   You want equality. Danica wants women to be nothing but sex objects in my opinion. In fact wasn’t she married? Did she ditch the guy for someone more famous.   This is a sensitive subject to mesh sports with out of sports behavior. I can never root for her. Because she does promote the women as strippers persona.   While you know I hate Sheryl Sandberg and feel she is unethical in her business… Read more »
HowieG
HowieG
3 years 5 months ago

if people would be truthful it would be great to know how many readers come here partially because you are an attractive woman and businessperson. Can we open a research arm of Arment Dietrich?

RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago
@HowieG @belllindsay Going to look for your comments Linds, but we have talked around this in the past too. And for me it comes down to this- yes, first impressions count, and if they are purely physical, well, that is going to happen.  So should Gini, should Danika, not accept any business that comes their way for being gorgeous? Yeah I know G hasn’t done any saucy ads (yet…), but if someone is lucky enough to be gifted with giant brains and incredible beauty like G, should they be penalized for it? Honestly I believe it is even harder for a woman to get any credit… Read more »
JoeCardillo
3 years 5 months ago

@RebeccaTodd  @HowieG  @belllindsay I get what you’re saying. And maybe I’m from a different generation of men, but it just doesn’t do it for me. I pay attention to my reactions, and I won’t pretend I don’t notice a good looking woman, but over time I’ve learned to notice good looking men as well and remind myself that it’s just one small piece of information and not a reflection of someone’s passion, work ethic, or character. I think we’re all better off when we focus on those things.

HowieG
HowieG
3 years 5 months ago

@JoeCardillo  @RebeccaTodd  @belllindsay here is the bizarre thing. I have been around many male managers who would chose a hot employee over competent. And plenty who have chosen incompetent male over kickass female because they thing she will get pregnant and not come back. I wish that wasn’t true.
 
The real problem is SEX f*cks everyone up. I mean how many people have torched their lives over sex? I think that trumps greed. So people who ‘have the looks’ usually use them (male or female).

JoeCardillo
3 years 5 months ago
@HowieG  @RebeccaTodd  @belllindsay You’re right Howie, I’ve seen it too. I had a former manager who stocked my team with young, blonde women. Most of them were awesome people but you didn’t have to be a genius to see what was going on. But it doesn’t have to be that way, because once we say yeah, this is what’s going on and it’s not right, and then act on that, we can change the paradigm.   I work with mostly women. Sometimes stereotypes arise. Sometimes the stereotypes are driven by the women on my team and they re-enact (often rigid) gender constructs.… Read more »
RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago
@JoeCardillo  @HowieG  @belllindsay Ahh yes I put myself through Uni working in bars- those “hiring on looks” policies do not always get you the best talent. But in the corporate world, my female boss did get chewed out by her boss at a drunken event for hiring three young women in a row (me included) who would now all “take time off” to have their kids. This was the same environment that spurred women to take a 3 month mat leave instead of the year we are granted.    I love your comments about the whole “catfight” thing. It really pisses me off.… Read more »
Karen_C_Wilson
3 years 5 months ago

@HowieG I can honestly say that I first started reading Spin Sucks without knowing who the author was – and frankly didn’t notice for quite a while. I was attracted solely by the awesome name of the blog. After following and becoming a huge fan of the thoughts and ideas, I finally got to know Gini. I have so much respect for her as a businessperson and thought leader. The fact that she is a woman doesn’t surprise me, because women are every bit as smart and capable as men.

AmyMccTobin
3 years 5 months ago

@Karen_C_Wilson  @HowieG They were probably my posts you loved so much 🙂

Karen_C_Wilson
3 years 5 months ago

@AmyMccTobin  @HowieG Of course. And @ginidietrich too. It would be very odd if I didn’t give her credit on her own blog. 😉

belllindsay
belllindsay
3 years 5 months ago

@HowieG Completely agree Howie – see my comment below @Erika Napoletano ‘s below.

AmyMccTobin
3 years 5 months ago

@HowieG I had a raging disagreement with a smart friend of mine on FB over this very thing; Danica is a hypocrite at best.  He didn’t ‘get it.’ Thought it was her right to sell her sex. Yeah, but she can’t have it both ways.

lizreusswig
3 years 5 months ago

@HowieG  Interesting, but I wonder if you feel that David Beckham or Michael Jordan sabotaged their successes?

yvettepistorio
3 years 5 months ago

To answer your question – “When you hear about someone’s partner who is a stay-at-home dad, what’s your first thought?” I’m actually curious what kind of job the woman has. I think it’s awesome that couples are switching those roles. I like/agree with what @rdopping said, “If mom’s got the chops then mom’s got the chops. Simple as that.”

ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@yvettepistorio  That’s kind of my point. We don’t hear that mom is staying at home and think, “Wow. I wonder what kind of job he has?” It’s all backwards!

ryancox
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich  @yvettepistorio See my comment below. I had never thought of it this way Gini — but it wasn’t good. My first thought / gut reaction to the male side of the equation. It was “dude your wife is out-earning you? that has to stripe a little bit of your manhood.” 
 
But for the woman staying home to raise the family aka “homemaker” … not a single bad connotation was felt in my gut. The word: Expected came to mind.
 
And I’m not a sexist. At. All. 
 
^I was shocked.

RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago

@ryancox  @ginidietrich  @yvettepistorio Wow thanks for being honest, Ryan! Perhaps because I’ve always taken care of myself, but when I hear a woman is a stay at home mum I do think “wow! What the hell kind of job does HE have?” And if I hear a man stays home, I think “Damn! Lucky woman.” But as G and I have discussed before, having someone in the “wife” role would be pretty sweet for me right about now.

JoeCardillo
3 years 5 months ago
@ryancox  @ginidietrich  @yvettepistorio My first thought: Rad. How’d you decide who the stay at home parent was / what kind of agreement did you figure out?   I have a friend who’s wife is a professor, he’s a PhD candidate, they both work massive amounts and share kid time pretty equally. For me, that is the model I would follow if I ever had kids. But that’s not everyone’s cup of tea. The whole POINT of feminism originally (if I may be so bold) wasn’t to SWITCH gender roles, it was to deconstruct them so that people could do whatever they truly… Read more »
RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago

@JoeCardillo  “The whole POINT of feminism originally (if I may be so bold) wasn’t to SWITCH gender roles, it was to deconstruct them so that people could do whatever they truly felt called to do.”- GOLD!

belllindsay
belllindsay
3 years 5 months ago

@RebeccaTodd  @ryancox  @ginidietrich  @yvettepistorio First thing I think Rebecca: wow, he must be a doctor/lawyer/banker/etc.. That’s terrible isn’t it??

AmyMccTobin
3 years 5 months ago

@belllindsay  @RebeccaTodd  @ryancox  @ginidietrich  @yvettepistorio Or… they must eat a lot of spam and bologna.

RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago

@AmyMccTobin  @belllindsay  @ryancox  @ginidietrich  @yvettepistorio Yes! My reality is, even in the couples I know, both work. I tend toward the other direction, to be as honest as Ryan was- when I see a woman that chooses not to work, it baffles me. I am rather career driven and of course do not have kids, and I always think yikes what about their career?

PattiRoseKnight
PattiRoseKnight
3 years 5 months ago

@ryancox  @ginidietrich  @yvettepistorio Ryan you are not alone – it’s learned behavior that will take a long time to change.

yvettepistorio
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich Ok, I see that it’s backwards. Maybe it’s because i relate to the woman more…IDK, but now I’ll probably think a little differently after this post/conversation thread!

PattiRoseKnight
PattiRoseKnight
3 years 5 months ago

@yvettepistorio  @rdopping I think the reason they don’t switch roles most of the time is not the stereotype but instead because men are paid more than women.

Katherine Bull
Katherine Bull
3 years 5 months ago

I think it’s awesome. My brother-in-law did it with their first son for nine months and he loved it. I don’t view it as unmanly or that there’s anything odd about it. In some cases, the woman earns more money so it financially makes more sense. And, some dads I know really enjoy being at home more with the kids than the mom.

Jennifer Goode Stevens
Jennifer Goode Stevens
3 years 5 months ago

I know several. Fortunately, they blog. It’s awesome to see men handling the baby/little kid minutia that isn’t minutia to the kids because they’re, you know, 23 months old.

Kelli Matthews
Kelli Matthews
3 years 5 months ago

I think I couldn’t do it without him. My partner is a stay at home dad and he’s amazing.

Lara Wellman
Lara Wellman
3 years 5 months ago
I will completely admit to doing this. I wanted a family and now have three young kids.  The desire to work my way up the ranks to a job that would require me to work insane hours while trying to raise a young family….  I just didn’t want that.  I’m now building up my business on my own terms (and honestly, some of my feelings may have come from always wanting to work for myself 🙂 and by the time my kids are older I expect to be working a lot more intensely than I am now.     For… Read more »
AmyMccTobin
3 years 5 months ago

@Lara Wellman I think that is entirely fair – I don’t work like I did before my daughter, BUT, it should be a choice for each family… not the way it has to be.

Lara Wellman
Lara Wellman
3 years 5 months ago

@AmyMccTobin  Oh, I absolutely agree!  I also think that I’ve been lucky enough to have never worked in an environment where I felt my chances of success were less because of my gender.  I know that definitely isn’t the case everywhere.

Kevin Grout
Kevin Grout
3 years 5 months ago

Well, I’ve been a stay-at-home dad for the past four months after a layoff, but that comes to a halt next week. I greatly admire men (and women) who choose to stay home. It’s no easy task, that’s for sure. And caring for our world’s most precious resource is no small order.

MightyCaseyMedia
3 years 5 months ago
Perception becomes reality. That starts between one’s own ears – Danica Patrick can be forgiven (somewhat) for trading on her looks, given that’s the currency that women have been taught to use first for millennia now. I think @Erika Napoletano and @ginidietrich are correct in observing that Danica’s made her own brand-bed based on “expert advice” from those who see her core audience as NASCAR nerds.   However, as something of a female gear-head (lived alone on a sailboat for 12 years, and have a tool-set that would make Tim Allen jealous), I’ve never been a big fan of Danica’s, largely because… Read more »
lizreusswig
3 years 5 months ago
I agree with much that’s been said here – we do derail ourselves, women can be awful to each other and so on.  As with most societal & cultural changes, it comes slowly.  When I started working, I was regularly called “sweetie” and “honey”  and there were very few women in power positions.  Times have changed a lot from what they were, but I don’t believe we’ll reach the summit on this huge mountain women have been climbing until and unless the prevailing attitude is at least an acceptance of Women in the Boardroom & Men in the Home.  … Read more »
RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago

@lizreusswig  @PattiRoseKnight  @belllindsay  @ginidietrich Nice analysis!

lizreusswig
3 years 5 months ago

@RebeccaTodd  @PattiRoseKnight  @belllindsay  @ginidietrich Thank you!

belllindsay
belllindsay
3 years 5 months ago

@lizreusswig  @PattiRoseKnight  @ginidietrich Don’t fire me because I’m beautiful, Gini. 😉

lizreusswig
3 years 5 months ago

@belllindsay  @PattiRoseKnight  @ginidietrich My guess is that won’t be the “official” reason, but….   😉

RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago

@lizreusswig  @belllindsay  @PattiRoseKnight  @ginidietrich You will let me know when Lindsay’s position becomes available though, right?

belllindsay
belllindsay
3 years 5 months ago

@RebeccaTodd  @lizreusswig  @PattiRoseKnight  @ginidietrich Hey Rebecca, step down sistah!! 😉

PattiRoseKnight
PattiRoseKnight
3 years 5 months ago

@lizreusswig  @belllindsay  @ginidietrich Most of my true education came from listening to stories from my grandma and great-grandma.  an education that could never be taught as well with books that’s for sure.

Karen_C_Wilson
3 years 5 months ago
In Canada, we have this beautiful one year maternity/parental leave that we can take as a mother and even share with the father. I balked when my husband said he wanted to take the last three months of parental leave. I wanted that time for ME and our baby. Then I realized that I wasn’t being fair to him. He was handing me on a silver platter the one thing I have always dreamed of – an involved father for my child. So, I went back to work early. I’ve supported (as a cheerleader) my brother through his time as… Read more »
AmyMccTobin
3 years 5 months ago
OMG do I have 8 billion things to say on this. Here’s my outline:1. I was pissed at Danica NOT because of her wanting to be seen as a driver only, but because she says THAT – YAY! and then does those crappy Godaddy ads that objectify her as a sex object.2. I cheer for stay at home men, but when I tried that with my partner when my daughter was born because I was the bread winner with a thriving career, it ended up that I was STILL expected to do the lion’s share of the housework. We were… Read more »
JoeCardillo
3 years 5 months ago

@AmyMccTobin +100 million to “it’s not over.” Cause it’s not. And that bothers me to no end, we need diversity in business to thrive.

PattiRoseKnight
PattiRoseKnight
3 years 5 months ago

@AmyMccTobin YES!  Right on Amy!  As long as there is breath there is hope!

jolynndeal
3 years 5 months ago

I have been learning from the comments as much as from the blog.  What is interesting to me is how when male drivers are labeled as sexy, we don’t even blink. It doesn’t ruin their credibility and they have been promoted in this regard for decades.  Carl Edwards’ 2006 ESPN pose is sexier than anything I’ve ever seen Danica do.  
http://tsminteractive.com/hottest-nascar-daytona-500-drivers-to-watch-hunks/
 
We are our own worst enemies.

belllindsay
belllindsay
3 years 5 months ago

@jolynndeal And helloooo? Dario Franchitti….!!?? He can drive my car any day. LOL

RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago

@belllindsay  @jolynndeal And my eyeballs thank you.

lizreusswig
3 years 5 months ago

@RebeccaTodd  @belllindsay  @jolynndeal Mine, too!  And I’m sure any of these guys would be happy to rip their shirt off for GoDaddy’s $! 😉

rustyspeidel
rustyspeidel
3 years 5 months ago

So…what are we saying? Men aren’t offended by objectification and women are, or they aren’t offended because they have many other options for validation, or what? I think men love to be worshipped. But I don’t think we’d appreciate it if it was all there was. Wow, I just answered my own question!
@lizreusswig @RebeccaTodd @belllindsay @jolynndeal

RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago

@rustyspeidel  @lizreusswig  @RebeccaTodd  @belllindsay  @jolynndeal Hah nice Rusty!

RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago

@belllindsay  @jolynndeal I’m not sure I buy this “we are our own worst enemies” unless by “we” you mean “humans”. I believe that our male friends are just as involved in this notion that a woman can’t be hot and smart and competent.

jolynndeal
3 years 5 months ago

@RebeccaTodd  you are right! It’s not women as we, it’s definitely both genders.  But I think Gini hits the mark saying change will have to start with women.

RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago

@jolynndeal The teacher in me is bringing all of this back to self-confidence.  If all people were more confident with themselves and happy with their role in life, would we have to sling such petty jealous barbs?

barrettrossie
3 years 5 months ago

@RebeccaTodd  @belllindsay  @jolynndeal Re: “a woman can’t be hot and smart and competent.” 
 
God I want to make a smart ass remark but I know I’d be paying for it for a long, long time…

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jeanniecw
3 years 5 months ago
One more thought on this. Why don’t we discuss what to teach our sons more often? As you know, I’m raising two young men and I find it CRITICAL to discuss with them the messages they get and the ways to understand what’s ok and what’s not. For example, around 2 years old, my little one started announcing what was for boys and what was for girls. Soccer, for example, was for boys. Um, what!? At that point I realized they get these types of messages from all over the place. I started looking for ways to highlight amazing women… Read more »
RebeccaTodd
3 years 5 months ago

@jeanniecw Love this!

jeanniecw
3 years 5 months ago

@RebeccaTodd Thanks! I guess I got a little fired up. 😉

hackmanj
3 years 5 months ago

@jeanniecw  @RebeccaTodd with good reason Jeannie. The problem would not exist if people had been better parents.

jolynndeal
3 years 5 months ago

@jeanniecw The most important place a woman can start affecting change… in her own house.  Great thoughts.

jeanniecw
3 years 5 months ago

@jolynndeal Nicely put! Thanks.

JoeCardillo
3 years 5 months ago

@jeanniecw I don’t even have to write my own comment now because you said it perfectly. What makes people unique is exactly what we should focus on.
 
Have you read this —> “How to Talk to Little Girls” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/how-to-talk-to-little-gir_b_882510.html
 
I share it at least a few times a year. It’s awesome advice for all of us to think about how we are enacting social structure. (Admittedly I always feel weird Googling for that article by title, like I’m gonna suddenly show up on some ahem, government map all of the sudden = )

jeanniecw
3 years 5 months ago

@JoeCardillo Like you’re not already on some list! 😉 Great share. I have read that and it’s so good!

Silveraindr0ps
Silveraindr0ps
3 years 5 months ago

@JoeCardillo   This is one of the best articles I’ve read in some time. Thank you for sharing.

JoeCardillo
3 years 5 months ago

@Silveraindr0ps YW, please pass it along, it’s a message we could all hear more often

PattiRoseKnight1
PattiRoseKnight1
3 years 5 months ago

@JoeCardillo  This is a brilliant article.  I shared….if everyone did this – well maybe there wouldn’t be the need for this blog subject.

JoeCardillo
3 years 5 months ago

@PattiRoseKnight1 No kidding. And I’d add that it takes consistency and honesty to call ourselves out on how we are responsible for creating social structure at work, at home, and elsewhere.

belllindsay
belllindsay
3 years 5 months ago

@jeanniecw A few years ago, my son called me “the Oprah of my industry” – LOLOL!! Because I get to talk with people a lot…? It’s very social…? Cracks me up to this day.

jeanniecw
3 years 5 months ago

@belllindsay Ok, L’Oprah. 🙂

belllindsay
belllindsay
3 years 5 months ago

@jeanniecw Like you, I try and teach him about gender equality, treat all people as equals, yadda yadda – but man at almost 14 there is SO MUCH more now that he is influenced by. I hope I’ve done a good enough job with the baseline. 🙂

jeanniecw
3 years 5 months ago

@belllindsay I am not looking forward to the preteen/teen years. Every study out there says they are more influenced by their peers than parents, but having that baseline is so important.

rustyspeidel
rustyspeidel
3 years 5 months ago

@jeanniecw @belllindsay

PattiRoseKnight
PattiRoseKnight
3 years 5 months ago

@jeanniecw Jeannie you are so right – I have 3 sons and it’s crucial the old way of thinking about women be taught at home.  Then when they experience narrow-minded people they have a solid foundation.

jeanniecw
3 years 5 months ago

@PattiRoseKnight A solid foundation…easier said than done, right? But I keep trying. 🙂

PattiRoseKnight
PattiRoseKnight
3 years 5 months ago

@jeanniecw I have 3 boys too and you’re right; children will hear mixed information outside the home but if there is a solid foundation in the home they will be able to cope with the negativity.  Who knows our children could be the ones to change everything and own a company that employs women in the C-suite.

ronnyzoo
ronnyzoo
3 years 5 months ago

@RebeccaAmyTodd Demand? God, ain’t that just like a woman.

DallasK
DallasK
3 years 5 months ago

I think everyone knows womens brains are smaller than mens.  It’s science…look it up in any anatomy book.

MightyCaseyMedia
3 years 5 months ago

@DallasK Gee, dude – troll much?

DallasK
DallasK
3 years 5 months ago

@MightyCaseyMedia Yes.

PattiRoseKnight
PattiRoseKnight
3 years 5 months ago

This blog topic is my favorite so far!  I have to work and am going to read all the comments later when I can relax and read at my leisure.  Great blog GINI!!!

ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@PattiRoseKnight Thanks! And right?! I have to come back later, too. After our webinar and my SME webinar this afternoon.

Gini Dietrich
Gini Dietrich
3 years 5 months ago

My mom always told us that staying at home with kids was the hardest job there is. I believe it.

hackmanj
3 years 5 months ago
I am glad you are continuing to write about this issue. I will say what I have always said with a twist. Nontraditional gender involvement in all things will improve the quality of everything. I would happily debate this with anyone who disagrees with that assertion. I truly long for the day where we are oblivious of gender, ethnicity, religion, socio economics, etc… I resent the way we are conditioned to analyze and categorize one another. We are fearful and judgmental creatures by nature and while there is a logical reason for it to a degree the real manifestation is complete overkill.… Read more »
hackmanj
3 years 5 months ago

I think I need a copy writer, hah – where = when, I think. Speaking of where, where is jasonkonopinski when you Ding-Dang need him?

jasonkonopinski
3 years 5 months ago

@hackmanj 🙂

PattiRoseKnight
PattiRoseKnight
3 years 5 months ago

@hackmanj You are so right Joe!

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@ktyhurst Thanks Kristin!

focuscom
focuscom
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich While I agree with your post, to some degree the Go Daddy ads are part of the problem. Not saying that’s right, just a fact

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@focuscom I agree, but I don’t think the ads make it right.

focuscom
focuscom
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich Absolutely not!

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@focuscom I made this point on FB: David Beckham does underwear ads and no one calls him a stripper. It’s a double standard

focuscom
focuscom
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich Yep, agreed. Not sure why we need these types of ads anyway.

focuscom
focuscom
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich There’s nothing about the Go Daddy ads that makes me want to buy a web address. Just sayin

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@focuscom I’m writing a book and have an entire chapter dedicated to how to sell without sex

focuscom
focuscom
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich Yay! Good for you – surely there’s got to be a way!

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@focuscom There is! It’s just not as quick or easy. It’s like running a sprint vs a marathon

Katherine Bull
Katherine Bull
3 years 5 months ago

Agree, Gini. I think some people – men and women – are wired differently in this regard. I know many stay at home moms who absolutely love it. I know myself well enough that if I were a stay at home mom, I would be in the loony bin within 30 days.

colleenrkennedy
colleenrkennedy
3 years 5 months ago

RT @ginidietrich Women’s Equality: It Starts with Us or it Stays an Illusionhttp://buff.ly/YIshqZ via @spinsucks

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@PRCog Smooches!

PRCog
PRCog
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich anytime! =D

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@inspiredcat Thanks Caitlin!

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@KristenDaukas xoxo

JefferyBialek
JefferyBialek
3 years 5 months ago
Another great post Gini…while attitudes s l o w l y change, I can’t agree more how important it is to challenge stereotypes on both sides of the issue, to work tirelessly toward the places you want to get to, all while supporting those who are trying to do the same in many of the ways you suggested. As someone who has always felt more drawn to working inside the home rather than climbing the ladder, I’m fortunate to be married to a woman who is extremely career driven, yet still thrills to her role as mother. Even as we’ve found a great balance in our lives… Read more »
PattiRoseKnight
PattiRoseKnight
3 years 5 months ago

@JefferyBialek I work for home and have an 18 year-old it’s not as hectic (I’m sure) than than younger children but I go non-stop some days.  I think the stereotype of moms staying at home is changing but we’re not there yet.  I’m confident we’ll get there eventually!  No skepticism or disdain from me!

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@JefferyBialek Thank you, kind sir!

katierosenberg
katierosenberg
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich Excellent piece!

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@katierosenberg Thanks Katie!

Etiquettemoms
Etiquettemoms
3 years 5 months ago

Really interesting post with some GREAT conversation: MT @ginidietrich Women’s Equality: It Starts with Us or it Stays an Illusion

KyleAkerman
KyleAkerman
3 years 5 months ago

Last night Andy @Crestodina and I had dinner with a young attractive female lawyer. She claimed that when pitching ideas to new people she had to first mention that she had her JD in order to be taken seriously. Furthermore, she is thinking of starting a business and feels that she needs an MBA to be taken seriously. 
 
In both situations she felt that men would not have to have such advanced degrees. But in her case the degrees were necessary qualifiers to offset the fact that she is an attractive lady.  
 
Is this really what still goes on?  So sad.

JoeCardillo
3 years 5 months ago

@KyleAkerman  @Crestodina Yeah no kidding, it cuts both ways. When you give it some thought, it’s the same kind of problem…..hyperactive focus on one fairly insignificant detail, which a person can’t really do much about.

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@junemackweb Thanks, June!

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@MightyCasey Man…some people, though. I got called “full of feminist garbage”

MightyCasey
MightyCasey
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich anyone who called you that is a fuckweasel.

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@MightyCasey LOL! So many reasons to love you!

MightyCasey
MightyCasey
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich =D

MightyCasey
MightyCasey
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich oh, and lemme guess: the fuckweasel was *not* a dude, right?

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@MightyCasey Oh he was a dude

MightyCasey
MightyCasey
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich OK. Still a fuckweasel. Who lets the wrong head do the thinking.

ginidietrich
ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@MatthewLiberty LOL! Thanks Matt!

MatthewLiberty
MatthewLiberty
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich More than welcome Gini!!! 🙂

barrettrossie
3 years 5 months ago

>> “It’s not our fault. It’s ingrained. It’s natural. It’s in our DNA.”
 
Seriously, if I had written this about women… would some people have jumped all over me? 
 
By the way, great post and discussion.

ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@barrettrossie I just got a private email about that very thing. What I meant was that we are hardwired to be the caretakers. Men are not. It’s natural for us to want to put our wings around our babies and protect them. Men can do it, but it’s not as natural as it is for women. It’s more a learned skill for you.

barrettrossie
3 years 5 months ago

@ginidietrich I understand and agree. But after participating in discussions of women in the workplace for many years, I just know if a man had written that, he would have been taken to the woodshed. Maybe not by you, but by a lot of people. I have scars from living in San Francisco. 🙂 
 
And just to be clear, I agree that in advertising and in design, women are way underrepresented at the highest levels.

rdopping
rdopping
3 years 5 months ago

@barrettrossie  @ginidietrich Not in Interior Design. It’s quite the opposite. Not really the best place for a guy’s guy to make it to the top of the heap.

barrettrossie
3 years 5 months ago

@rdopping There are LOTS of women in advertising and design. They just don’t seem to make it to the top as often as they should. I was doing some long-term contracting for an agency a couple of years ago that has some really great female talent. Went to a big client meeting in San Diego, with one of those huge conference rooms. Probably 14 people around the table.  The only female was the client’s marketing director.

Gini Dietrich
Gini Dietrich
3 years 5 months ago

I’m with you, Katherine. I did not get that part of my mom’s genes.

Katherine Bull
Katherine Bull
3 years 5 months ago
A little off-topic. There’s another side of this that is not a popular opinion: Some kids do much better being in daycare. Mine did, at least. She is social and liked being around other kids. I played with her and gave her loads of attention but the minute she entered daycare at 10 weeks, she slept better, ate better, and was a happier child. I honestly don’t think that she would have done well if I were a SAHM, even with playdates, Mommy and Me, etc. Every kid is different, of course, but I know that daycare was the right… Read more »
MatthewLiberty
MatthewLiberty
3 years 5 months ago

@dabarlow Thanks for the RT Denise! Good stuff from Gini as usual! @ginidietrich #Women #Business

Jennifer Goode Stevens
Jennifer Goode Stevens
3 years 5 months ago

janey was so sociable from day 1 that i decided early on that she was going to have a sibling if we could make that happen. thank god it worked out, or this introvert would’ve been in the loony bin trying to meet her needs. i realize that path isn’t logical for everyone, tho.

emitoms
emitoms
3 years 5 months ago

Women’s Equality: It Starts with Us or it Stays an Illusion http://t.co/yeJpLIF6gn via @jkcallas @ginidietrich

KevinVandever
KevinVandever
3 years 5 months ago

My daughters used to say “Girls rule, boys drool”. I don’t think it explains anything discussed in the post or the comments, but there is some significance to the statement.

ginidietrich
3 years 5 months ago

@KevinVandever Well…

belllindsay
belllindsay
3 years 5 months ago

@KevinVandever Funny, my son and his friends said the opposite. 😉

AlaskaChickBlog
3 years 5 months ago

@belllindsay  @KevinVandever I have one of each flavors, myself and yes, I’ve heard it both ways too!

ayanabaltrip
ayanabaltrip
3 years 5 months ago

True. RT @secretsushi: Women’s Equality: It Starts with Us or it Stays an Illusion http://t.co/AVYyFmx7a5 via @ginidietrich”

3PlusInt
3PlusInt
3 years 5 months ago

RT @eGlobalLearning: Women’s Equality: It Starts with Us or it Stays an Illusion http://t.co/MosAQtPT5A #Women #Equality

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