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How Long is Too Long?

By: Guest | January 20, 2011 | 
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Ingrid Abboud aka ‘Griddy‘ is a whole lot of things with a ridiculous amount of interests.

Get your mind out of the gutter people! I’m talking about posts and comments. Jeez!

When the fabulous Aunt Gini (editor’s note: She calls me this because of the Christmas video with my nieces and nephew) asked me to guest post on Spin Sucks, I was ecstatic. But I’ll be honest – I panicked a bit as well.

You see, I have this tendency to ramble – I mean write long, witty and insightful pieces – and I knew I’d have to abide by a certain word limit – which is understandable but poses quite the challenge for me. I’m at 90 words so far, phew!

I know you’re dying to count, so go ahead – I’ll wait.

I told you so!

I panicked for another reason as well. I knew I’d have to step it up and present her with something that was up to the standards of her intelligent and well-spoken audience (editor’s note: Don’t let her kiss up you!).

You see, she kinda brilliantly tooted me in one of her super #FollowFriday posts so I couldn’t possibly let her down with a “non-entertaining or below average post”.

I’m not kissing ass folks. I’m just telling it like it is.

Defying the Norm

I’ve often heard bloggers say it’s best not to exceed 500 or 1,000 words so that you don’t lose the attention of your readers, and that shorter posts often get the message across better. And although these are very true, I beg to differ – at times.

My last guest post for Traffic Generation Cafe was around 2,800 words. Yet somehow it got over 110 retweets. Another that I wrote for Famous Bloggers was close to 1,500 words. It generated 110 comments and was RT’d almost 300 times.

I’m not implying those numbers are something to brag about, they’re not. But they’re definitely decent. I must have done something right to retain the attention of my audience.

Have you ever read one of Glen Allsop’s posts? They may be as rare as peace in the Middle East, but they’re as long as treaties as they often surpass 2,000 words. I for one, don’t want them to end. They’re insightful, idiot-proof, and loaded with great examples. He has about 11,000 subscribers that agree with me.

Could it be that we underestimate the attention spam (not a typo) of our readers? For these are three times longer than the proposed “norm”.

Does the writing style not play an integral role?

I know when Seth Godin writes 50 words including “the” and “it” people listen and he gets retweeted a gazillion times. And all Brian Clark has to say is “Boo” and the blogosphore goes into an RT frenzy. But here’s the thing…you’re not either of those two “influential” chaps. But if you are – in my very fake French accent…“well hello there, I’m Ingrid and this is Gini’s blog, please comment, RT,  and connect” icon wink How Long is Too Long? GP for SPIN SUCKS.

Presentation is Everything

Much like a meal at a restaurant, or the design of a website – presentation is everything.

If you were to visit a site that was shabby-looking, would it inspire you to browse through it? I didn’t think so.

If I had started this post using a dissertation-like style and a monotonous tone, would you have read this far? Yup, didn’t think so either.

So like I said, presentation is key.

The way we present our words and the voice we use, determine whether we capture our readers attention or not. Ever hear the saying, “it’s not size that matters, but the motion of the ocean”? Well, your blog is the ocean and your words are the motion. It’s how you move people that counts.

You can write 200 words that are full of drivel or 2,000 that are loaded with insight! It’s not the length that counts but how you manage to remain interesting and captivate your readers till the end.

Gini’s posts are usually highly intuitive, informative, and to the point – but they’re generally no longer than 500 words.

If I’m able to hook you with intelligent and magnetic words from the first paragraph, you’ll want to read on – regardless of how “long” it looks.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying to write a long-winded article that takes three pages to get to the point – on the contrary. I’m just telling you it’s how you get to the point that will leave an impression. It’s how you break it up using short paragraphs that don’t scare the Bejeesus out of your readers. It’s how you talk to your audience. Because you want to talk to them in an engaging manner and not dictate to them.

Me, My Comments, and I

The same goes for comments.

I’ve come to be known around the blogosphere (“my friendosphere of bloggers”) as the girl who leaves novel-lengths comments. But are they thoughtless or do they actually add value somehow? Obviously, the latter.

“Gini and Danny, I swear to you if you’re smirking or coughing here…I’ll…Oh, who am I kidding?! Laugh away lol.”

Personally, I would much rather gasp pleasantly at a long comment than see a simple drive-by that says, “hey, great post”. I’m interested to hear what readers have to share that could enrich my own views. Why? Because if and when I have something to say, it most probably means the post is deserving of more than a simple “good job”.

We have news releases that limit us to a page or less and Twitter cut our musings to 140 characters. So why impose another limit on our personal thoughts on our own blog?

Write intelligently, wittily, insightfully, amusingly, respectfully, numerically, resourcefully, or commandingly…and people will listen. They will take the time to read if your thoughts are well-written and worthwhile.

So How Long is Too Long?

Is 1,000 words all that our brains can handle? Would you not give an article the time of day if were 3,000 words? Okay, 10,000 – maybe not!

My rule is that there is no rule!

Write what you want. If you want to be clear and succinct with a short news type post – YAY. If you’d rather opt for a longer, more comprehensive post – then go for it! Do what feels right for you and your writing style.

I was initially set on backing this piece with solid resources from probloggers to prove my point. But…

Had I told you from the start that Darren Rowse averages 1000 + words per post but Chris Brogan about 500, or that Steve Pavlina writes over 2000 words but Leo Babauta around 600 – then you might not have bothered reading till the end and would have simply concluded for yourselves that it’s“your blog, your rules – mix it up”.

This post has a grand total of 1,139 words (editor’s note: Uh…more like 1,254).

Was it dreadfully painful to read? Rhetorical of course!

I’d love to hear your thoughts – and guess what? I’ll probably reply with a not so short answer to your not so short comment.

Editor’s Note: I really wanted to cut this down, but she’s right…I was captivated. Darn her!

Ingrid Abboud aka ‘Griddy’ is a whole lot of things with a ridiculous amount of interests. For one, she’s a social media enthusiast with a tremendous passion for writing and blogging. She’s also a pretty cool copywriter but a more serious MarCom Consultant. But most of all, she’s the proud owner and driving force behind nittyGriddy.com – A Kinda Social Media Journal with Net News & more.

  • Size doesn’t matter! Seth gets his message across in 50 words, great for him, that’s his style. You inform us in 1139, that is awesome. We read books which are hundreds of pages long and we don’t complain, unless they are dull and un-captivating. I never understood people who are post length nazies- the rule is there is no rule.

    1254 Gini?I only count every word once :))

  • Size doesn’t matter! Seth gets his message across in 50 words, great for him, that’s his style. You inform us in 1139, that is awesome. We read books which are hundreds of pages long and we don’t complain, unless they are dull and un-captivating. I never understood people who are post length nazies- the rule is there is no rule.

    1254 Gini?I only count every word once :))

  • SoniaSimone

    You made me laugh with Brian’s “Boo.” 🙂

    Godin can create a total brain-bomb in 50 words. Wish I could. But the first rule of not sucking at blogging (or writing or content or social media or whatever you call it) is to learn You Are Not Seth Godin.

  • SoniaSimone

    You made me laugh with Brian’s “Boo.” 🙂

    Godin can create a total brain-bomb in 50 words. Wish I could. But the first rule of not sucking at blogging (or writing or content or social media or whatever you call it) is to learn You Are Not Seth Godin.

  • ginidietrich

    @SoniaSimone Whhhhaaaaat?! But what if we want to be Seth Godin?! 🙂 I remember the first book I read of his, I thought, “How can anyone get away with this?” But he does. Quite well.

  • ginidietrich

    @SoniaSimone Whhhhaaaaat?! But what if we want to be Seth Godin?! 🙂 I remember the first book I read of his, I thought, “How can anyone get away with this?” But he does. Quite well.

  • ginidietrich

    @johnfalchetto I am a post-length Nazi! Ha! We only ask that guest bloggers keep it to 500 words because, well, not everyone is as entertaining as crazy here. I love that she inserts conversations with her friends because she knows they’re reading. She’s a nut case, which is why I let her write TWELVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR WORDS! I guess ex-Pats living in France don’t have to abide by the English numerals. 🙂

  • ginidietrich

    @johnfalchetto I am a post-length Nazi! Ha! We only ask that guest bloggers keep it to 500 words because, well, not everyone is as entertaining as crazy here. I love that she inserts conversations with her friends because she knows they’re reading. She’s a nut case, which is why I let her write TWELVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR WORDS! I guess ex-Pats living in France don’t have to abide by the English numerals. 🙂

  • Lamia

    Well griddy, at the risk of ticking you off, I have nothing else to add but : hey, great post !!
    There are times when there’s not much to add and this is one of them …
    Well I’ll actually just add one thing : griddy, i’ve recently discovered blogging and you are my FAVOURITE !! (and one other thing) you look stunning !!

  • Lamia

    Well griddy, at the risk of ticking you off, I have nothing else to add but : hey, great post !!
    There are times when there’s not much to add and this is one of them …
    Well I’ll actually just add one thing : griddy, i’ve recently discovered blogging and you are my FAVOURITE !! (and one other thing) you look stunning !!

  • Daveisbell

    Thanks Ingrid, as one who tends to blabber on and on in comments, and who finally started a blog, I appreciate the validation. Perhaps my long-winded gusts of monologue may be able to create the dialogue I am looking for just as easily as some of the great “5 steps to whatever” posts I have seen. I’ll probably never be as eloquent, or fun, as “Aunt Gini,” but I’m hoping I’ll find my voice to express what it is that I want to say that captivates some of those who stop by to visit my blog.

  • Daveisbell

    Thanks Ingrid, as one who tends to blabber on and on in comments, and who finally started a blog, I appreciate the validation. Perhaps my long-winded gusts of monologue may be able to create the dialogue I am looking for just as easily as some of the great “5 steps to whatever” posts I have seen. I’ll probably never be as eloquent, or fun, as “Aunt Gini,” but I’m hoping I’ll find my voice to express what it is that I want to say that captivates some of those who stop by to visit my blog.

  • Love love LOVE the post, Griddy! You know, this is something I’ve been finding as well, especially now that I write/publish on three different properties on a regular basis (don’t worry, I’m not going to pimp them here).

    That is actually a great writing exercise as well: on my own blog, I write as I want (though I do edit myself, as well as my guest bloggers… hey, that’s my job for them, right?) and some of the most “successful” posts – or at least those that seem to draw the most engagement are the ones that are easily $1,200 words + – sometimes much more than that. On the other two blogs: I try to keep to an 800 word count for one, because that’s what my editor wants (and she’s ed., so she rules); on the second, I’m ed., so I chop as I need to.

    I think the personality of the blog/post is what really makes or breaks a post and yes, visual appeal plays a huge part. That’s why I sprinkle my posts with images, sometimes video, and break up sentences, paras, etc. (wrote about that a while back). Someone whose blog posts are full of personality is extremelyavg – I’ve probably talked about him before, but he is the most incredible writer, and I really had an “a-ha” moment when I first read his blog. Talk about long posts… and on woodworking! – but I want to keep reading and reading and reading.

    Someone I think is an absolutely terrific commenter is 3hatscomm . I love how she really takes the conversation and runs with it, and then often those turn into blog posts themselves.

  • Love love LOVE the post, Griddy! You know, this is something I’ve been finding as well, especially now that I write/publish on three different properties on a regular basis (don’t worry, I’m not going to pimp them here).

    That is actually a great writing exercise as well: on my own blog, I write as I want (though I do edit myself, as well as my guest bloggers… hey, that’s my job for them, right?) and some of the most “successful” posts – or at least those that seem to draw the most engagement are the ones that are easily $1,200 words + – sometimes much more than that. On the other two blogs: I try to keep to an 800 word count for one, because that’s what my editor wants (and she’s ed., so she rules); on the second, I’m ed., so I chop as I need to.

    I think the personality of the blog/post is what really makes or breaks a post and yes, visual appeal plays a huge part. That’s why I sprinkle my posts with images, sometimes video, and break up sentences, paras, etc. (wrote about that a while back). Someone whose blog posts are full of personality is extremelyavg – I’ve probably talked about him before, but he is the most incredible writer, and I really had an “a-ha” moment when I first read his blog. Talk about long posts… and on woodworking! – but I want to keep reading and reading and reading.

    Someone I think is an absolutely terrific commenter is 3hatscomm . I love how she really takes the conversation and runs with it, and then often those turn into blog posts themselves.

  • @ginidietrich So then you must have luhved my posts where I inserted conversations with my dog … and squirrels. :p

  • @ginidietrich So then you must have luhved my posts where I inserted conversations with my dog … and squirrels. :p

  • 3HatsComm

    @Shonali extremelyavg Shonali, Thanks for the promo, check’s in the mail.

  • 3HatsComm

    @Shonali extremelyavg Shonali, Thanks for the promo, check’s in the mail.

  • Gin Gin 🙂
    Phew, I finally made it!
    First and foremost, I’m honored to have been featured here and am grateful to you for this opportunity. What I mean to say by that is ,”How frickin’ awesome do I feel now huh?” lol

    I had a good time writing this post (not as in dancing and stuff although I am now), even thought I had a panic attack when I realized I had slightly (cough) surpassed the word limit you generally have here.

    Thanks again for everything Gin.
    Sorry but gotta go answer some great comments and do some fabulous engaging down below ;).

  • Gin Gin 🙂
    Phew, I finally made it!
    First and foremost, I’m honored to have been featured here and am grateful to you for this opportunity. What I mean to say by that is ,”How frickin’ awesome do I feel now huh?” lol

    I had a good time writing this post (not as in dancing and stuff although I am now), even thought I had a panic attack when I realized I had slightly (cough) surpassed the word limit you generally have here.

    Thanks again for everything Gin.
    Sorry but gotta go answer some great comments and do some fabulous engaging down below ;).

  • If time were not constraining my verboseness, you would be treated with a well-crafted novella of a comment here, but because I am pressed, allow me to say this: some blogs deliver nuggets of useful information. I read, analyze, and implement those which I deem useful. Other blogs, albeit equally as instructive, tell a story. They present information in an interconnected format where once you become a loyal reader, it’s hard to distinguish where one post ends and another begins. You start reading and wonder, “how did I get to this point… it’s like I’m already in the middle of the post.” (yes I stole that idea from the movie Inception).

    I prefer to be a storyteller, but that’s my style (and yours too Ms. Griddy). If you are a to the point, no nonsense individual, you’ll probably hover around the 500 word threshold. Me on the other hand? Do not count on it.

  • If time were not constraining my verboseness, you would be treated with a well-crafted novella of a comment here, but because I am pressed, allow me to say this: some blogs deliver nuggets of useful information. I read, analyze, and implement those which I deem useful. Other blogs, albeit equally as instructive, tell a story. They present information in an interconnected format where once you become a loyal reader, it’s hard to distinguish where one post ends and another begins. You start reading and wonder, “how did I get to this point… it’s like I’m already in the middle of the post.” (yes I stole that idea from the movie Inception).

    I prefer to be a storyteller, but that’s my style (and yours too Ms. Griddy). If you are a to the point, no nonsense individual, you’ll probably hover around the 500 word threshold. Me on the other hand? Do not count on it.

  • As always, a great blog post.

    I think you definitely have to consider your audience when blogging and know your community, as it’s obvious you do.

    If you’re topic and community is more cerebral and apt to deep thought and conversation, then 500 words may never satisfy what they’re looking for. On the other hand, if you’re simply reporting news or reviewing a new iPhone app, 2,500 words may be overkill for your readers.

    I also think you’re point on the QUALITY of the post in question. If something is 5,000 words but about a topic I’m passionate about and well written I’ll read that 3x’s over before I read 500 words of poorly written critique of some new Facebook feature.

  • As always, a great blog post.

    I think you definitely have to consider your audience when blogging and know your community, as it’s obvious you do.

    If you’re topic and community is more cerebral and apt to deep thought and conversation, then 500 words may never satisfy what they’re looking for. On the other hand, if you’re simply reporting news or reviewing a new iPhone app, 2,500 words may be overkill for your readers.

    I also think you’re point on the QUALITY of the post in question. If something is 5,000 words but about a topic I’m passionate about and well written I’ll read that 3x’s over before I read 500 words of poorly written critique of some new Facebook feature.

  • @SoniaSimone Hi Sonia,
    I’m glad I was able to get you to chuckle a bit :). That’s always a great thing and it means I’ve accomplished part of my objective with this post.

    Godin can indeed write a mere 50 or a 100 words and somehow have each one of them mean something. He could probably also write a bunch of nothingness if he wanted to and would still get the attention that others hope for.

    As for me, I’m Ingrid Abboud – far far being a Seth Godin or a Brian Clark, but I’m me and I have my own style. Some may like it some may not – either way, I’ll keep writing :).

    Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. Appreciated.
    Cheers

  • @SoniaSimone Hi Sonia,
    I’m glad I was able to get you to chuckle a bit :). That’s always a great thing and it means I’ve accomplished part of my objective with this post.

    Godin can indeed write a mere 50 or a 100 words and somehow have each one of them mean something. He could probably also write a bunch of nothingness if he wanted to and would still get the attention that others hope for.

    As for me, I’m Ingrid Abboud – far far being a Seth Godin or a Brian Clark, but I’m me and I have my own style. Some may like it some may not – either way, I’ll keep writing :).

    Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. Appreciated.
    Cheers

  • 3HatsComm

    ingrid abboud Love this, love this .. you really hit on something here, which allows me to do this: talk about me. 🙂 I try to keep posts to 500 words, but often fail miserably. I’m the first to tell writers to “warm up on your own time” but then, sometimes the preamble works. It’s about style, substance and interest. Some people’s 2,000 words on the magic of PR may be the bestest ever, but if they read like a post-graduate symposium lecture, I ain’t sticking around til the end. If I wanted all of that, I would actually buy the book.

    You talk of presentation and as I read more and more blogs, I think those that use skinny little slivers of a content column do themselves and their readers a disservice. It makes even a 300 word post look ponderous and is just harder to read. Topic breaks, headers, bullets and lists aren’t just cheats; they’re effective ways of presenting info in a way that’s readable. So yeah, size matters. (hee.. bringing it back to your post I congratulate myself for being clever).

    And since @Shonali brought it up, I do leave monster comment bombs all over the Internet, @ginidietrich can attest to that. So to your thing about comments.. WTH gripes about a comment being too long? I get hijacking a thread to go way off topic, but COMMENTS are the shiz. I have at least two or three posts – ok rants – in drafts about comments, comments are what bring a blog to the next level, how I don’t get blocking comments, closing comments after time, not reading other comments before you post, or not commenting on other sites when you want them on your own. Blah blah TEHO blah. Look forward to seeing what others think, sure to add more later.

  • 3HatsComm

    ingrid abboud Love this, love this .. you really hit on something here, which allows me to do this: talk about me. 🙂 I try to keep posts to 500 words, but often fail miserably. I’m the first to tell writers to “warm up on your own time” but then, sometimes the preamble works. It’s about style, substance and interest. Some people’s 2,000 words on the magic of PR may be the bestest ever, but if they read like a post-graduate symposium lecture, I ain’t sticking around til the end. If I wanted all of that, I would actually buy the book.

    You talk of presentation and as I read more and more blogs, I think those that use skinny little slivers of a content column do themselves and their readers a disservice. It makes even a 300 word post look ponderous and is just harder to read. Topic breaks, headers, bullets and lists aren’t just cheats; they’re effective ways of presenting info in a way that’s readable. So yeah, size matters. (hee.. bringing it back to your post I congratulate myself for being clever).

    And since @Shonali brought it up, I do leave monster comment bombs all over the Internet, @ginidietrich can attest to that. So to your thing about comments.. WTH gripes about a comment being too long? I get hijacking a thread to go way off topic, but COMMENTS are the shiz. I have at least two or three posts – ok rants – in drafts about comments, comments are what bring a blog to the next level, how I don’t get blocking comments, closing comments after time, not reading other comments before you post, or not commenting on other sites when you want them on your own. Blah blah TEHO blah. Look forward to seeing what others think, sure to add more later.

  • @johnfalchetto Hi John
    Count on Gini to have counted each word. But at some point before I added the subheadings, my post was 1139 words 😉 Ha! Well, either that or my word count is on crack!

    I agree in that there is no rule – except if you’re a guest on someone’s blog then you have to abide by theirs (which I’m so sorry to say, I clearly didn’t here – but I’m hoping I made up for it with humor and revolutionary thoughts that could change the blogosphere as we know it haha).

    I couldn’t be a post-length nazi if I tried for that would mean I would have to impose that on myself – which – Uhhh..I don’t think so!

    If you can captivate your audience in 20 words – good for you. But if you need an extra thousand or so – great – just make sure your audience will enjoy it as much as you do. I write for myself and it’s important that I’m satisfied with my words but it’s equally important that I think of my readers and whether they will enjoy it, find it useful, hate it, laugh…etc. After all, you want them to come back.

    Thanks for taking the time to comment John.
    Have a great week.

  • @johnfalchetto Hi John
    Count on Gini to have counted each word. But at some point before I added the subheadings, my post was 1139 words 😉 Ha! Well, either that or my word count is on crack!

    I agree in that there is no rule – except if you’re a guest on someone’s blog then you have to abide by theirs (which I’m so sorry to say, I clearly didn’t here – but I’m hoping I made up for it with humor and revolutionary thoughts that could change the blogosphere as we know it haha).

    I couldn’t be a post-length nazi if I tried for that would mean I would have to impose that on myself – which – Uhhh..I don’t think so!

    If you can captivate your audience in 20 words – good for you. But if you need an extra thousand or so – great – just make sure your audience will enjoy it as much as you do. I write for myself and it’s important that I’m satisfied with my words but it’s equally important that I think of my readers and whether they will enjoy it, find it useful, hate it, laugh…etc. After all, you want them to come back.

    Thanks for taking the time to comment John.
    Have a great week.

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  • @ginidietrich @johnfalchetto Ahhhh Me no speak English very best Mrs. Giniiii ;). Haha!

    It was an honest mistake – truly. I was even willing to rewrite a different post that would have been 500 words but I’m glad I didn’t cause this topic is one that I do enjoy and as you can see I had quite a few things to say lol. So yes, Crazy is entertaining – and thank goodness for that. Can you imagine what this post would have sounded like if I was simply talking to myself in a monotonous voice as I regurgitate facts from authors and stuff? Yikes!

    Thanks for letting this one slide Aunt Gini. If there is ever to be a next one (which I hope) I’ll make sure to keep it at 1000 words max – Uhhh…I mean 999 sorry. Ha! Baby steps, BABY steps. Kidding – 500 it is!

    Oh, and me in Beirut, Lebanon right now ;). We use the Phoenician numerals where we add zero’s to whatever the rest of the world says lol.

  • @ginidietrich @johnfalchetto Ahhhh Me no speak English very best Mrs. Giniiii ;). Haha!

    It was an honest mistake – truly. I was even willing to rewrite a different post that would have been 500 words but I’m glad I didn’t cause this topic is one that I do enjoy and as you can see I had quite a few things to say lol. So yes, Crazy is entertaining – and thank goodness for that. Can you imagine what this post would have sounded like if I was simply talking to myself in a monotonous voice as I regurgitate facts from authors and stuff? Yikes!

    Thanks for letting this one slide Aunt Gini. If there is ever to be a next one (which I hope) I’ll make sure to keep it at 1000 words max – Uhhh…I mean 999 sorry. Ha! Baby steps, BABY steps. Kidding – 500 it is!

    Oh, and me in Beirut, Lebanon right now ;). We use the Phoenician numerals where we add zero’s to whatever the rest of the world says lol.

  • @Lamia Well Lamia – seeing that this is your first blog comment on one of my posts (yes, Lamia is a friend – a real live one – and I can’t believe one of my friends actually read something I wrote YaY and WOW) I’m all good with that :).

    But in all seriousness – I’m so happy you took the time to read this post and even happier about the fact that you enjoyed it. It’s not often that I leave others speechless – well, almost lol!

    And Lamia – you’ve seen me in my sweats and Burkies looking not so stunning – but shhhh…don’t tell em please ;).

  • @Lamia Well Lamia – seeing that this is your first blog comment on one of my posts (yes, Lamia is a friend – a real live one – and I can’t believe one of my friends actually read something I wrote YaY and WOW) I’m all good with that :).

    But in all seriousness – I’m so happy you took the time to read this post and even happier about the fact that you enjoyed it. It’s not often that I leave others speechless – well, almost lol!

    And Lamia – you’ve seen me in my sweats and Burkies looking not so stunning – but shhhh…don’t tell em please ;).

  • @Griddy @ginidietrich Great post Griddy, Mabrouk! You got Ginidietrich to allow more than 500 words.

  • @Griddy @ginidietrich Great post Griddy, Mabrouk! You got Ginidietrich to allow more than 500 words.

  • Griddy…that was Off the Grid!
    “My rule is that there is no rule!” Oh to live by those words!

    I am a self-imposed rule maker (and sometimes breaker). I feel like I have to keep it to a minimum in order to keep readers engaged. My first posts were extremely long and had no takers…probably due to the fact that I hadn’t yet landed the cool LIvefyre commenting system, right? Now, they average in the 400-500 word count range and I try to mix them up with images, links and bulleted items. Does that help? Only if it matches my style and my brand and the content rocks. If those ingredients aren’t there, it doesn’t really matter to me who you are, I’m cruising on if it doesn’t get my attention.

    I think it boils down to content and being true to YOUR style and YOUR brand and you do that mah-vah-lous-ly. I love your posts because it’s like we’re chatting over coffee (or wine) and talking to a real person. Keep doing what you do best!

  • Griddy…that was Off the Grid!
    “My rule is that there is no rule!” Oh to live by those words!

    I am a self-imposed rule maker (and sometimes breaker). I feel like I have to keep it to a minimum in order to keep readers engaged. My first posts were extremely long and had no takers…probably due to the fact that I hadn’t yet landed the cool LIvefyre commenting system, right? Now, they average in the 400-500 word count range and I try to mix them up with images, links and bulleted items. Does that help? Only if it matches my style and my brand and the content rocks. If those ingredients aren’t there, it doesn’t really matter to me who you are, I’m cruising on if it doesn’t get my attention.

    I think it boils down to content and being true to YOUR style and YOUR brand and you do that mah-vah-lous-ly. I love your posts because it’s like we’re chatting over coffee (or wine) and talking to a real person. Keep doing what you do best!

  • @Shonali @extremelyavg 3hatscomm Hey Shonali – it’s great to see you here and thank you for that wonderful comment. I’m very happy that you LOVED this post. My face = big smile :).

    You made some excellent points and I certainly agree with you. I’m not familiar with @extremelyavg but I will make sure to check him out now. As for @3HatsComm I second you all the waty. I often come across her comments and they are indeed impressive – she actually left one here – YaY – so I’ll be going over there to address it shortly.

    I think we both agree that in this case it’s my blog, my rules – your blog, your rules. In my case – although my posts lean more towards the long side – I do write the shorter one’s as well. And I’ve witnessed engagement on both lengths – if they’re worth it and well-written or humorous, entertaining or informative – of course.

    But like you said, it’s personality and appearance that make a big difference as well – besides the content obviously. Let us not forget that fabulously over-played and heard “content is kind” blah blah – but alas…it’s true.

    Having an image or visual of some kind is essential. Needless to give the obvious reasons for this but have you have opened a law book before? Sure the cases are incredible and interesting and insightful and…and…but how exciting is it to look at?

    As for braking up a post – imagine you had come here to see this one written in one paragraph – no breaks, no sub headings, no nothing? Yuk! I even break up my comments into paragraphs – because yes, they are often paragraphs! Case in point lol.

    Anyways – all that to say – thanks for sharing your thoughts here. Always a pleasure reading what you have to say Shonali.

    Cheers

  • @Shonali @extremelyavg 3hatscomm Hey Shonali – it’s great to see you here and thank you for that wonderful comment. I’m very happy that you LOVED this post. My face = big smile :).

    You made some excellent points and I certainly agree with you. I’m not familiar with @extremelyavg but I will make sure to check him out now. As for @3HatsComm I second you all the waty. I often come across her comments and they are indeed impressive – she actually left one here – YaY – so I’ll be going over there to address it shortly.

    I think we both agree that in this case it’s my blog, my rules – your blog, your rules. In my case – although my posts lean more towards the long side – I do write the shorter one’s as well. And I’ve witnessed engagement on both lengths – if they’re worth it and well-written or humorous, entertaining or informative – of course.

    But like you said, it’s personality and appearance that make a big difference as well – besides the content obviously. Let us not forget that fabulously over-played and heard “content is kind” blah blah – but alas…it’s true.

    Having an image or visual of some kind is essential. Needless to give the obvious reasons for this but have you have opened a law book before? Sure the cases are incredible and interesting and insightful and…and…but how exciting is it to look at?

    As for braking up a post – imagine you had come here to see this one written in one paragraph – no breaks, no sub headings, no nothing? Yuk! I even break up my comments into paragraphs – because yes, they are often paragraphs! Case in point lol.

    Anyways – all that to say – thanks for sharing your thoughts here. Always a pleasure reading what you have to say Shonali.

    Cheers

  • Daniel8Lopes

    Nice post, but waaaay too long 😛

    In my opinion, too keep it short, when we write something we should always try to find the best “length to info racio”. By this i mean, always try make our writing compact, direct and interesting.
    Even if we have a more “intelectual” audience, the “racio” should always be kept in mind.

    If we really have “trouble” keeping it short, we can always write it all down and then go back and try to “zip” it, making room for all the other things we wanted to say but didn’t, due to the length of the text. If we do this 2 or 3 times, I believe the final version will be richer than the initial, even if it has the same lenght 🙂

    Don’t mind my English, not my native language.
    Keep up the good posting

  • Daniel8Lopes

    Nice post, but waaaay too long 😛

    In my opinion, too keep it short, when we write something we should always try to find the best “length to info racio”. By this i mean, always try make our writing compact, direct and interesting.
    Even if we have a more “intelectual” audience, the “racio” should always be kept in mind.

    If we really have “trouble” keeping it short, we can always write it all down and then go back and try to “zip” it, making room for all the other things we wanted to say but didn’t, due to the length of the text. If we do this 2 or 3 times, I believe the final version will be richer than the initial, even if it has the same lenght 🙂

    Don’t mind my English, not my native language.
    Keep up the good posting

  • @johnfalchetto @ginidietrich Haha! Thank you John for that Mabrouk – I’m impressed ;). But I don’t think I’ll be breaking any rules here again. Gini was kind enough to post this one but If Gini says 500 – then 500 it is – next time of course lol.

    Oh and Gini….Mabrouk means congrats in Arabic :). We also say it when you buy something new – like – “hey Gini, Mabrouk on your new shoes” lol ;).

  • @johnfalchetto @ginidietrich Haha! Thank you John for that Mabrouk – I’m impressed ;). But I don’t think I’ll be breaking any rules here again. Gini was kind enough to post this one but If Gini says 500 – then 500 it is – next time of course lol.

    Oh and Gini….Mabrouk means congrats in Arabic :). We also say it when you buy something new – like – “hey Gini, Mabrouk on your new shoes” lol ;).

  • @JMattHicks Hey Matt.
    Thanks a lot – I appreciate what you said :).

    I think you’re right – it’s very important to know your audience or to at least have a feel for them. Even when you’re posting on someone else’s blog. You should read the posts that have appeared there before as well as the comments. It gives you an idea of what to expect – not always but sometimes.

    I think the writing style plays a big part. I comfortable with my writing and the way I do it – plus it comes naturally to me – I’m no bragging in any way here – I’m just saying it works for me on my blog and I enjoy doing it.

    I know we can’t please everyone – obviously – but it’s important that we please ourselves (with our work and words) in the process. In general, we read what interests us and we continue reading if we are hooked.

    Much like you – I have no problem reading a long article if I’m captivated by the topic and if it’s well-written. I also have no problem (well, not a huge one lol) reading a dull subject/post if I think I can benefit from it in some way – I may not like it and it may bore me – but if it’s short enough and straight forward – then I will.

    My asset is that i try to be entertaining all while sharing the information. I think that helps a lot – at least I hope :).

    Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.
    Cheers

  • @JMattHicks Hey Matt.
    Thanks a lot – I appreciate what you said :).

    I think you’re right – it’s very important to know your audience or to at least have a feel for them. Even when you’re posting on someone else’s blog. You should read the posts that have appeared there before as well as the comments. It gives you an idea of what to expect – not always but sometimes.

    I think the writing style plays a big part. I comfortable with my writing and the way I do it – plus it comes naturally to me – I’m no bragging in any way here – I’m just saying it works for me on my blog and I enjoy doing it.

    I know we can’t please everyone – obviously – but it’s important that we please ourselves (with our work and words) in the process. In general, we read what interests us and we continue reading if we are hooked.

    Much like you – I have no problem reading a long article if I’m captivated by the topic and if it’s well-written. I also have no problem (well, not a huge one lol) reading a dull subject/post if I think I can benefit from it in some way – I may not like it and it may bore me – but if it’s short enough and straight forward – then I will.

    My asset is that i try to be entertaining all while sharing the information. I think that helps a lot – at least I hope :).

    Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.
    Cheers

  • Ingrid, you can write even 10.000 words, I will still read it. Nothing is too long if there is a point to it. If I am trying to explain something and can’t do it in 2.000 words, I am sure gonna write 3.000.Rules are there to be broken and “short post rule” is one of those. Thanks!

  • Ingrid, you can write even 10.000 words, I will still read it. Nothing is too long if there is a point to it. If I am trying to explain something and can’t do it in 2.000 words, I am sure gonna write 3.000.Rules are there to be broken and “short post rule” is one of those. Thanks!

  • @Brankica Brankica thanks so much :))). But I’ll spare you and keep them below 10,000 for now haha. Your vote of confidence means a lot and I’m glad you enjoy reading my posts.

    As for rules – like I said, if you’re the boss of you, then I think it’s okay to make them. I think short posts are great as well – obviously. And I’m trying to get better at writing them but… 😉

    I say – do what works for you – do what you’re comfortable with. If no one is reading maybe you can try to change things up a bit – but again, keep your writing the way you want it to be. Be yourself.

    I appreciate you stopping by to share your thoughts. Thank you again.
    Cheers ma’ dear sharp shooter 🙂

  • @Brankica Brankica thanks so much :))). But I’ll spare you and keep them below 10,000 for now haha. Your vote of confidence means a lot and I’m glad you enjoy reading my posts.

    As for rules – like I said, if you’re the boss of you, then I think it’s okay to make them. I think short posts are great as well – obviously. And I’m trying to get better at writing them but… 😉

    I say – do what works for you – do what you’re comfortable with. If no one is reading maybe you can try to change things up a bit – but again, keep your writing the way you want it to be. Be yourself.

    I appreciate you stopping by to share your thoughts. Thank you again.
    Cheers ma’ dear sharp shooter 🙂

  • dino_dogan

    Im gonna go ahead and quote Albert Einstein for the second time today.

     

    Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.

     

    Whenever the subject of length comes up (regarding posts…geez) I always bring up Harry Potter and that seams to shut everyone up sufficiently.

     

    A typical Harry Potter book clocks in at 800 pages, and theres like 50 of them. Should they be shorter? Ask any HP fan and they’ll claw your eyes out at a mere suggestion that HP books should be shorter.

     

    So its not the length, its the goodness lol

     

     

  • dino_dogan

    Im gonna go ahead and quote Albert Einstein for the second time today.

     

    Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.

     

    Whenever the subject of length comes up (regarding posts…geez) I always bring up Harry Potter and that seams to shut everyone up sufficiently.

     

    A typical Harry Potter book clocks in at 800 pages, and theres like 50 of them. Should they be shorter? Ask any HP fan and they’ll claw your eyes out at a mere suggestion that HP books should be shorter.

     

    So its not the length, its the goodness lol

     

     

  • @Daniel8Lopes Hi Daniel,
    I appreciate your thoughts on this – thank you. You have a good point and I agree that sometimes – short posts are the way to go. But sometimes, long one’s are not so bad either if they’re written in a way that they can retain your audience till the end.

    Had this post been not had the same topic but the same length and writing style – would have not read it? Or what if I had not mentioned the word count on mine – would you have noticed or guessed?

    I think the writing style helps a lot in this case. But again, I know that a lot of people prefer the short post – and I won’t argue with that. The point I was trying to make is that regardless of the length – if a post is well-written, entertaining, intelligent, captivating from the beginning etc…would you not give it the time of day?

    We read books that are 300 pages in or more. We read eBooks that are 100 online. Can we not read a post that is 1000 words if we are interested by the topic or if the author can portray his or her point in a particular way.

    Long or short – I say do whatever works for you as a writer or blogger or whatever. Mix and match – do both if you can. Do what comes naturally to you or what makes you feel comfortable. Know your audience in the process but write for yourself as well.

    And as for your English – no worries – your comment was great and very valuable 🙂 – I hope my comment vs. reply ratio here (in this comment) will please you lol.

    Cheers

  • @Daniel8Lopes Hi Daniel,
    I appreciate your thoughts on this – thank you. You have a good point and I agree that sometimes – short posts are the way to go. But sometimes, long one’s are not so bad either if they’re written in a way that they can retain your audience till the end.

    Had this post been not had the same topic but the same length and writing style – would have not read it? Or what if I had not mentioned the word count on mine – would you have noticed or guessed?

    I think the writing style helps a lot in this case. But again, I know that a lot of people prefer the short post – and I won’t argue with that. The point I was trying to make is that regardless of the length – if a post is well-written, entertaining, intelligent, captivating from the beginning etc…would you not give it the time of day?

    We read books that are 300 pages in or more. We read eBooks that are 100 online. Can we not read a post that is 1000 words if we are interested by the topic or if the author can portray his or her point in a particular way.

    Long or short – I say do whatever works for you as a writer or blogger or whatever. Mix and match – do both if you can. Do what comes naturally to you or what makes you feel comfortable. Know your audience in the process but write for yourself as well.

    And as for your English – no worries – your comment was great and very valuable 🙂 – I hope my comment vs. reply ratio here (in this comment) will please you lol.

    Cheers

  • MySOdotCom

    500 or words or 50,000 if it’s say’s by Ingrid Abboud I’m reading it. Think about it, most of her blog comment reply’s average 623 words. Yes you must always read them all, sometimes I start there first 😉

  • MySOdotCom

    500 or words or 50,000 if it’s say’s by Ingrid Abboud I’m reading it. Think about it, most of her blog comment reply’s average 623 words. Yes you must always read them all, sometimes I start there first 😉

  • dino_dogan

    Ima go ahead and quote Albert Einstein for the second time today.

    Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.

    Whenever the subject of length comes up (regarding posts…geez) I always bring up Harry Potter and that seams to shut everyone up sufficiently.

    A typical Harry Potter book clocks in at about 800 pages, and theres like 50 of them. Should they be shorter?

    Ask any HP fan and they’ll claw your eyes out at a mere suggestion that HP books should be shorter.

    So its not the length, its the goodness lol

  • dino_dogan

    Ima go ahead and quote Albert Einstein for the second time today.

    Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.

    Whenever the subject of length comes up (regarding posts…geez) I always bring up Harry Potter and that seams to shut everyone up sufficiently.

    A typical Harry Potter book clocks in at about 800 pages, and theres like 50 of them. Should they be shorter?

    Ask any HP fan and they’ll claw your eyes out at a mere suggestion that HP books should be shorter.

    So its not the length, its the goodness lol

  • 3HatsComm

    @Griddy @JMattHicks Same Ingrid. I write for a lot of reasons: to educate, inform and share my perspective, to clear thoughts jumbled in my head, for SEO, b/c I love the sound of my own voice. 😉 My blog is part of my resume, my portfolio so I try to write with my own style and humor that reflects my approach. ITA adding entertainment value is a great asset, keeps people interested and coming back.

  • 3HatsComm

    @Griddy @JMattHicks Same Ingrid. I write for a lot of reasons: to educate, inform and share my perspective, to clear thoughts jumbled in my head, for SEO, b/c I love the sound of my own voice. 😉 My blog is part of my resume, my portfolio so I try to write with my own style and humor that reflects my approach. ITA adding entertainment value is a great asset, keeps people interested and coming back.

  • @3HatsComm @Griddy “My blog is part of my resume, my portfolio so I try to write with my own style and humor that reflects my approach”

    Awesome point!

  • @3HatsComm @Griddy “My blog is part of my resume, my portfolio so I try to write with my own style and humor that reflects my approach”

    Awesome point!

  • @MySOdotCom Haha! Thank you for that incredible vote of confidence Kevin ;). However, I’m not sure I wanna go anywhere near 50,000 just yet – unless it’s a published NYT Best-Seller’s book then heck yeah lol!

    I’m actually worried that a couple of my comments here or elsewhere may have been 623 words short. Did you count? Or should I? hehe

    Thanks for stopping by. Appreciated.
    Cheers

  • @MySOdotCom Haha! Thank you for that incredible vote of confidence Kevin ;). However, I’m not sure I wanna go anywhere near 50,000 just yet – unless it’s a published NYT Best-Seller’s book then heck yeah lol!

    I’m actually worried that a couple of my comments here or elsewhere may have been 623 words short. Did you count? Or should I? hehe

    Thanks for stopping by. Appreciated.
    Cheers

  • Presentation is definitely everything. Having defined sections, like you did, makes it easier to skim through the post before reading it to see if it is a topic I’m interested in, something I regularly do before reading a post. Posts that don’t have headings or anything in bold APPEAR to ramble on, despite how insightful they might be.

    Also, this was a great point:

    “I would much rather gasp pleasantly at a long comment than see a simple drive-by that says, ‘hey, great post’.”

    A comment can spark quite a conversation, so cheers to you for taking a little extra time to reflect on the post, give your opinion, and create an opportunity for others to join the conversation.

  • Presentation is definitely everything. Having defined sections, like you did, makes it easier to skim through the post before reading it to see if it is a topic I’m interested in, something I regularly do before reading a post. Posts that don’t have headings or anything in bold APPEAR to ramble on, despite how insightful they might be.

    Also, this was a great point:

    “I would much rather gasp pleasantly at a long comment than see a simple drive-by that says, ‘hey, great post’.”

    A comment can spark quite a conversation, so cheers to you for taking a little extra time to reflect on the post, give your opinion, and create an opportunity for others to join the conversation.

  • ginidietrich

    @dino_dogan Um. I think there are only eight books.

  • ginidietrich

    @dino_dogan Um. I think there are only eight books.

  • ginidietrich

    @MySOdotCom TOTALLY AGREE! She’s a freaking riot!

  • ginidietrich

    @MySOdotCom TOTALLY AGREE! She’s a freaking riot!

  • ginidietrich

    @Daniel8Lopes HAHAHAHAHA! LOL!

  • ginidietrich

    @Daniel8Lopes HAHAHAHAHA! LOL!

  • ginidietrich

    @EricaAllison Definitely because you didn’t have Livefyre!

  • ginidietrich

    @EricaAllison Definitely because you didn’t have Livefyre!

  • ginidietrich

    @3HatsComm I personally love your acronyms. My favorite part of your monster comment bombs.

  • ginidietrich

    @3HatsComm I personally love your acronyms. My favorite part of your monster comment bombs.

  • ginidietrich

    @Griddy You know I adore you so you’re welcome back any time!

  • ginidietrich

    @Griddy You know I adore you so you’re welcome back any time!

  • @ginidietrich @Daniel8Lopes Yeah okay Gini – you leave like a 2 word reply here and meanwhile – my fingers are falling off! hahahahaha

    Oh, and I’m gonna guess what your ROFL was about here ;).

  • @ginidietrich @Daniel8Lopes Yeah okay Gini – you leave like a 2 word reply here and meanwhile – my fingers are falling off! hahahahaha

    Oh, and I’m gonna guess what your ROFL was about here ;).

  • ginidietrich

    @Griddy @Daniel8Lopes “Nice post but waaaaay too long!” LOL!! Ha! It’s a busy day here. I can barely keep up. I have to write my #FF for tomorrow yet I keep getting pulled over here.

  • ginidietrich

    @Griddy @Daniel8Lopes “Nice post but waaaaay too long!” LOL!! Ha! It’s a busy day here. I can barely keep up. I have to write my #FF for tomorrow yet I keep getting pulled over here.

  • Hi Ingrid,

    This subject reminds me of Amadeus. There’s just as many notes as needed; no more, no less.

    If the majority of your readers get bored, you have too many notes.

    Obviously, the trick is to keep them satisfied–to point–because the goal is to always leave them wanting more.

    Like when you leave me comments, I’m always sad when it’s over. So I have to hurry and write some more to bring you back 😉

    Rick

  • Hi Ingrid,

    This subject reminds me of Amadeus. There’s just as many notes as needed; no more, no less.

    If the majority of your readers get bored, you have too many notes.

    Obviously, the trick is to keep them satisfied–to point–because the goal is to always leave them wanting more.

    Like when you leave me comments, I’m always sad when it’s over. So I have to hurry and write some more to bring you back 😉

    Rick

  • @ginidietrich @Daniel8Lopes Oh – NO NO Gini – you’re not going anywhere (please). It’s past 3 am here and I’m about to tape my eyelids so that they stay open – I don’t want to miss anything here lol!

  • @ginidietrich @Daniel8Lopes Oh – NO NO Gini – you’re not going anywhere (please). It’s past 3 am here and I’m about to tape my eyelids so that they stay open – I don’t want to miss anything here lol!

  • ginidietrich

    @Rick_LaPoint And now I’m headed to your blog to see what you’re writing to bring her back!

  • ginidietrich

    @Rick_LaPoint And now I’m headed to your blog to see what you’re writing to bring her back!

  • ginidietrich

    @Griddy I just had this vision of you with duct tape on your eyelids. Go to bed! There will be more tomorrow when this post hits people’s RSS feed.

  • ginidietrich

    @Griddy I just had this vision of you with duct tape on your eyelids. Go to bed! There will be more tomorrow when this post hits people’s RSS feed.

  • @ginidietrich The Doritos are helping but they only leave me with one hand to type lol.

  • @ginidietrich The Doritos are helping but they only leave me with one hand to type lol.

  • @JonHearty Hi Jon,
    Thank you for your thoughtful comment and Amen to that :).

    I obviously completely agree about presentation. Had I not split up my sentences into short paragraphs as well as use sub headings (catchy) – many of you may not have given this post the time of day.

    I often do the same as you – skim. But if I’m attracted to the topic and writing then I’ll read every word.

    A comment can indeed lead folks to interact and share their side of the story – and obviously so can a post – depending on how it’s written and how it addresses its audience – and I for one – am all ears :).

    Thanks again for your sharing your pennies here. Much appreciated.
    Cheers right back at ya

  • @JonHearty Hi Jon,
    Thank you for your thoughtful comment and Amen to that :).

    I obviously completely agree about presentation. Had I not split up my sentences into short paragraphs as well as use sub headings (catchy) – many of you may not have given this post the time of day.

    I often do the same as you – skim. But if I’m attracted to the topic and writing then I’ll read every word.

    A comment can indeed lead folks to interact and share their side of the story – and obviously so can a post – depending on how it’s written and how it addresses its audience – and I for one – am all ears :).

    Thanks again for your sharing your pennies here. Much appreciated.
    Cheers right back at ya

  • @ginidietrich @Rick_LaPoint Gini – You should definitely visit Rick’s blog. He’s an excellent writer/blogger with some very valuable internet marketing skills and advice. Not to mention a kind and intelligent fella with a great sense of humor :).

  • @ginidietrich @Rick_LaPoint Gini – You should definitely visit Rick’s blog. He’s an excellent writer/blogger with some very valuable internet marketing skills and advice. Not to mention a kind and intelligent fella with a great sense of humor :).

  • @Rick_LaPoint I love Amadeus Rick. And the analogy of course ;).

    You obviously make an excellent point. If you can leave your readers wanting more then you’ve succeeded in writing in a good piece – or at least one that made an impact somehow.

    I’m hoping that the majority of my readers haven’t gotten bored yet and that they won’t anytime soon. But I’m also hoping that with the entertainment (mine) comes a little usefulness (added value) as well. The best of both if you will.

    Oh, and please don’t be sad Rick, I’ll always come back to leave some AWESOME comments that show just how PASSIONATE I am about your work and your blog posts ;).

    For the rest of you that read that last part – if doesn’t make too much sense and you’re wondering why I used capital letters…well…Rick knows lol

    Seriously though Rick, thank you for what you said. I’m flattered. You’re great.
    Cheers Mr. LaPoint

  • @Rick_LaPoint I love Amadeus Rick. And the analogy of course ;).

    You obviously make an excellent point. If you can leave your readers wanting more then you’ve succeeded in writing in a good piece – or at least one that made an impact somehow.

    I’m hoping that the majority of my readers haven’t gotten bored yet and that they won’t anytime soon. But I’m also hoping that with the entertainment (mine) comes a little usefulness (added value) as well. The best of both if you will.

    Oh, and please don’t be sad Rick, I’ll always come back to leave some AWESOME comments that show just how PASSIONATE I am about your work and your blog posts ;).

    For the rest of you that read that last part – if doesn’t make too much sense and you’re wondering why I used capital letters…well…Rick knows lol

    Seriously though Rick, thank you for what you said. I’m flattered. You’re great.
    Cheers Mr. LaPoint

  • @Daveisbell Hi Dave,
    I’m happy you enjoyed this post. I tend to ramble a lot as well – but the key to rambling is to either have be entertaining (funny) or useful somehow – you know, the good kind of rambling lol.

    I’m sure you’ll find the voice that’s right for you – it usually comes naturally. What counts is that you’re comfortable with your writing style and that it flows easily. I’m no expert but that’s just how I see it. Be yourself and also write for yourself – not just your audience – even though you obviously want to write for them as well.

    Eventually you’ll get to know your audience – little by little. It takes time to build a readership and even more time to get them to listen and become attracted (I don’t mean physically lol) to your personality and the way you portray it through your unique voice. Be patient, be diligent and care enough to listen to them when they have something to say and to show them that you genuinely do.

    Those are my personal thoughts.

    Best of luck to you. I’m sure you’ll do just fine :).
    I appreciate you stopping by here and sharing your thoughts.
    Cheers

  • @Daveisbell Hi Dave,
    I’m happy you enjoyed this post. I tend to ramble a lot as well – but the key to rambling is to either have be entertaining (funny) or useful somehow – you know, the good kind of rambling lol.

    I’m sure you’ll find the voice that’s right for you – it usually comes naturally. What counts is that you’re comfortable with your writing style and that it flows easily. I’m no expert but that’s just how I see it. Be yourself and also write for yourself – not just your audience – even though you obviously want to write for them as well.

    Eventually you’ll get to know your audience – little by little. It takes time to build a readership and even more time to get them to listen and become attracted (I don’t mean physically lol) to your personality and the way you portray it through your unique voice. Be patient, be diligent and care enough to listen to them when they have something to say and to show them that you genuinely do.

    Those are my personal thoughts.

    Best of luck to you. I’m sure you’ll do just fine :).
    I appreciate you stopping by here and sharing your thoughts.
    Cheers

  • markwschaefer

    Here is a record i think. Brogan: 41 words 274 tweets. http://bit.ly/aV3jfM

    Nice job Ingrid!!

  • markwschaefer

    Here is a record i think. Brogan: 41 words 274 tweets. http://bit.ly/aV3jfM

    Nice job Ingrid!!

  • @markwschaefer Ha! How have I never seen this post of yours before?! Damn, I would have loved to use that as an example here.

    But I think “brilliant” would be in order for YOU on that one. Very nice Mr, Schaefer. Very nice! As usual.

    And thank you for stopping by here :). Glad you liked this piece. Coming from you – it means a lot.
    Cheers

  • @markwschaefer Ha! How have I never seen this post of yours before?! Damn, I would have loved to use that as an example here.

    But I think “brilliant” would be in order for YOU on that one. Very nice Mr, Schaefer. Very nice! As usual.

    And thank you for stopping by here :). Glad you liked this piece. Coming from you – it means a lot.
    Cheers

  • JayDolan

    It’s all about what the post is about, and what the aim of it is. I aim most often to make people laugh, and make people think. It would take A LOT of effort to write a lengthy humor piece, so I tend to keep them short.

    Also, because no one actually reads on the web, it helps to give people some formatting to latch onto. Breaking up the blocks of text with bullets, bolding, and headlines has mades things much easier to read and see where the author wants me to go.

  • JayDolan

    It’s all about what the post is about, and what the aim of it is. I aim most often to make people laugh, and make people think. It would take A LOT of effort to write a lengthy humor piece, so I tend to keep them short.

    Also, because no one actually reads on the web, it helps to give people some formatting to latch onto. Breaking up the blocks of text with bullets, bolding, and headlines has mades things much easier to read and see where the author wants me to go.

  • Honestly, I think there could’ve been some sentences that could’ve been left out , your point was made in the last paragraph, and I wish the last paragraph had more insights that how it is presented now. true, we always have this battle between long and short posts, but I do believe, few people earn the long posts and they must have a way with words. If it’s gonna be a long post, it’s gonna add to my knowledge a lot. If I end up reading 1500 words for just learning one thought that could be said in 1 sentence, then no. I try to apply that so my readers don’t run away,

    People are exposed to so many articles everyday, in addition to that they have work, as a blogger, unless necessary, I think short posts are better.

  • Honestly, I think there could’ve been some sentences that could’ve been left out , your point was made in the last paragraph, and I wish the last paragraph had more insights that how it is presented now. true, we always have this battle between long and short posts, but I do believe, few people earn the long posts and they must have a way with words. If it’s gonna be a long post, it’s gonna add to my knowledge a lot. If I end up reading 1500 words for just learning one thought that could be said in 1 sentence, then no. I try to apply that so my readers don’t run away,

    People are exposed to so many articles everyday, in addition to that they have work, as a blogger, unless necessary, I think short posts are better.

  • Daniel8Lopes

    @Griddy Good morning.
    Sorry it took so long for me to reply but a guy has to sleep right?

    Perhaps you didn’t understand me properly, i did’t said that I wasn’t a fan of “big” posts, my point was, the bigger it gets, the more information (or points of view about the same information) it should have.
    If you can shorten your text from 300 words to 200 why not do it, and use those “saved” 100 words for more “good” content?

    Things like repeating expressions (like “in my opinion”, etc..) could increase, unnecessarily, the legth of the text your writting.

    I agree that sometimes the text is already compact and there is no way to shorten it, but if that’s the case then you must already have a very engaging text 🙂

  • Daniel8Lopes

    @Griddy Good morning.
    Sorry it took so long for me to reply but a guy has to sleep right?

    Perhaps you didn’t understand me properly, i did’t said that I wasn’t a fan of “big” posts, my point was, the bigger it gets, the more information (or points of view about the same information) it should have.
    If you can shorten your text from 300 words to 200 why not do it, and use those “saved” 100 words for more “good” content?

    Things like repeating expressions (like “in my opinion”, etc..) could increase, unnecessarily, the legth of the text your writting.

    I agree that sometimes the text is already compact and there is no way to shorten it, but if that’s the case then you must already have a very engaging text 🙂

  • Daniel8Lopes

    @ginidietrich Finnaly someone understood my irony 😛

  • Daniel8Lopes

    @ginidietrich Finnaly someone understood my irony 😛

  • @FunkyOzzi Hi Liliane,
    I appreciate you coming by here to share your views. Thank you.
    Forgive me as this may be a “long” answer ;).

    You’re right – I’m sure I could have left out a few sentences here and there and “shortened” this post to 250 words or so. But it would have defied one of the points I was trying to make. And that is – the way you present a piece and the writing style – whether entertaining (a big plus), informative, intelligent, etc… does make a big difference in deciding whether a post is worth reading to the end or not.

    Unfortunately my writing style cannot please everyone – and that is totally understandable – I’m fine with that.

    You say that if it’s a long post (1500 words or so as you pointed out) it has to add to your knowledge. I would hope that a short post can also add just as much knowledge as the long one. But would you read the long one if the tone was monotonous or redundant?

    This post is less than 1500 words (by a little) but somehow I captivated you enough – whether with the topic at hand, the writing, or other – to read it till the end. Had you been bored right off the bat – you might not have finished it – and you may not have taken the time to share your thoughts. Seeing as this is the first time I see a comment of yours on one of my posts – I must have done something right to stir you up lol. And I’m glad I did – for it’s always nice to hear a different perspective – regardless of whether I agree or not.

    I’m not quite sure how I would have succeeded in narrowing this piece down to a sentence or so – again – this would have contradicted the few points (besides the main one) that I was trying to make.

    I’m sure your method works for you and your readers – you know your audience better than anyone and if you’re more comfortable writing shorter posts for them – then by all means do so. It seems, our respective audiences care for different writing styles and have different attention spans.

    I on the other hand – mix and match – but I do have a tendency to surpass 500 words or so – as many here will tell you lol. I use humor and sometimes sarcasm to entertain them as well as myself. Actually, I am myself and besides writing for my readers – I write for me too. I have my own unique style – and it seems to be working just fine for now.

    People are indeed exposed to tons of reading material each day and I’m sure the short post helps – but reading a blog post is by choice. If it’s too long for you to handle – then zap it. But I’ll be damned if I see a well-written, entertaining (humorous) and thought-provoking piece (like mine here lol) and not give it chance if it captures me from the get go.

    On that note – I can honestly say that I could have kept going here cause I’ve got a few more things to add haha. But I hope this somewhat answers your comment.

    Thanks again
    Cheers

  • @FunkyOzzi Hi Liliane,
    I appreciate you coming by here to share your views. Thank you.
    Forgive me as this may be a “long” answer ;).

    You’re right – I’m sure I could have left out a few sentences here and there and “shortened” this post to 250 words or so. But it would have defied one of the points I was trying to make. And that is – the way you present a piece and the writing style – whether entertaining (a big plus), informative, intelligent, etc… does make a big difference in deciding whether a post is worth reading to the end or not.

    Unfortunately my writing style cannot please everyone – and that is totally understandable – I’m fine with that.

    You say that if it’s a long post (1500 words or so as you pointed out) it has to add to your knowledge. I would hope that a short post can also add just as much knowledge as the long one. But would you read the long one if the tone was monotonous or redundant?

    This post is less than 1500 words (by a little) but somehow I captivated you enough – whether with the topic at hand, the writing, or other – to read it till the end. Had you been bored right off the bat – you might not have finished it – and you may not have taken the time to share your thoughts. Seeing as this is the first time I see a comment of yours on one of my posts – I must have done something right to stir you up lol. And I’m glad I did – for it’s always nice to hear a different perspective – regardless of whether I agree or not.

    I’m not quite sure how I would have succeeded in narrowing this piece down to a sentence or so – again – this would have contradicted the few points (besides the main one) that I was trying to make.

    I’m sure your method works for you and your readers – you know your audience better than anyone and if you’re more comfortable writing shorter posts for them – then by all means do so. It seems, our respective audiences care for different writing styles and have different attention spans.

    I on the other hand – mix and match – but I do have a tendency to surpass 500 words or so – as many here will tell you lol. I use humor and sometimes sarcasm to entertain them as well as myself. Actually, I am myself and besides writing for my readers – I write for me too. I have my own unique style – and it seems to be working just fine for now.

    People are indeed exposed to tons of reading material each day and I’m sure the short post helps – but reading a blog post is by choice. If it’s too long for you to handle – then zap it. But I’ll be damned if I see a well-written, entertaining (humorous) and thought-provoking piece (like mine here lol) and not give it chance if it captures me from the get go.

    On that note – I can honestly say that I could have kept going here cause I’ve got a few more things to add haha. But I hope this somewhat answers your comment.

    Thanks again
    Cheers

  • @ginidietrich @3HatsComm And now I can add “blah blah TEHO blah” to my list of Davina-isms, after FWIW. FWIW. :p

  • @ginidietrich @3HatsComm And now I can add “blah blah TEHO blah” to my list of Davina-isms, after FWIW. FWIW. :p

  • @3HatsComm Make sure my name is spelled correctly. :p

  • @3HatsComm Make sure my name is spelled correctly. :p

  • @Griddy Something else I think is very cool about you; you have painstakingly responded to a few similar comments (“too long,” “keep it shorter,” etc.) at length [sic] but very graciously AND humorously. Now that’s class.

  • @Griddy Something else I think is very cool about you; you have painstakingly responded to a few similar comments (“too long,” “keep it shorter,” etc.) at length [sic] but very graciously AND humorously. Now that’s class.

  • @Griddy Of course I did not mean that this post could be summed up into one sentence! no way jose! I just meant I would have preferred if you elaborated much more on the last part.

    I for one am not a short post blogger 😛 I try, since I noticed most people’s attention spam* is short these days. Yet it depends on the post really, the type, if there is a story (which is great for long posts, since it keeps people captivated).

    What I meant by expecting a long post to add much more knowledge to me than a short post, is simply cause I expect more points and ideas, or simply a method to persist this new info in a stronger way into my brain cells!

    And yes you must’ve done something write, honestly I was drawn by the title. I love blogging, and i love sharing blogging tips with other bloggers, so I came and read it and commented on it! 🙂 keep it up

  • @Griddy Of course I did not mean that this post could be summed up into one sentence! no way jose! I just meant I would have preferred if you elaborated much more on the last part.

    I for one am not a short post blogger 😛 I try, since I noticed most people’s attention spam* is short these days. Yet it depends on the post really, the type, if there is a story (which is great for long posts, since it keeps people captivated).

    What I meant by expecting a long post to add much more knowledge to me than a short post, is simply cause I expect more points and ideas, or simply a method to persist this new info in a stronger way into my brain cells!

    And yes you must’ve done something write, honestly I was drawn by the title. I love blogging, and i love sharing blogging tips with other bloggers, so I came and read it and commented on it! 🙂 keep it up

  • @ginidietrich @dino_dogan Ummm…I think there will end up being 50 one day – at the rate she’s going lol! It’s like she’s using magic or somethin’ hehe.

  • @ginidietrich @dino_dogan Ummm…I think there will end up being 50 one day – at the rate she’s going lol! It’s like she’s using magic or somethin’ hehe.

  • @dino_dogan Hola Dino,

    I Love that Albert character (the genius one – but the fat one is pretty cool too lol) and everything that his brain concocts – except for E = MC sq. – that one is brilliant as well but the reading is just uhhhh… I’m not the greatest Mathy person alive – not like Jamey jamesdburrell2 that is ;).

    What a great example you used with Harry Potter. I admit to not having read all 50 – I mean 8 books – but that Rowling lady sure knows how to captivate her gazillion readers.

    And yes, for many HP fans – 800 pages is a breath of fresh and magical air. I don’t how pleased they would be if her tome was 150 short ones lol. Plus – the movie might end up shorter than usual hehe.

    It’s the goodness indeed. But if you can get away with the length (as a blog post) by writing something fascinating, interesting, insightful, humorous or whatever – then go for it. If not…

    Just do what works for you first and what you think or know will interest your readers.

    Thanks for stopping by here and sharing those super pennies of yours. Appreciated :).

  • @dino_dogan Hola Dino,

    I Love that Albert character (the genius one – but the fat one is pretty cool too lol) and everything that his brain concocts – except for E = MC sq. – that one is brilliant as well but the reading is just uhhhh… I’m not the greatest Mathy person alive – not like Jamey jamesdburrell2 that is ;).

    What a great example you used with Harry Potter. I admit to not having read all 50 – I mean 8 books – but that Rowling lady sure knows how to captivate her gazillion readers.

    And yes, for many HP fans – 800 pages is a breath of fresh and magical air. I don’t how pleased they would be if her tome was 150 short ones lol. Plus – the movie might end up shorter than usual hehe.

    It’s the goodness indeed. But if you can get away with the length (as a blog post) by writing something fascinating, interesting, insightful, humorous or whatever – then go for it. If not…

    Just do what works for you first and what you think or know will interest your readers.

    Thanks for stopping by here and sharing those super pennies of yours. Appreciated :).

  • @Griddy@dino_dogan
    I seriously was going to make a similar comment regarding Tolkien’s LOTR books yesterday, but chose to quell the voice of my inner nerd. Perhaps, I was mistaken not to let the little fella speak up. Now that I’ve been roped in by an ‘elbow to the ribcage’ (read: jeer) about my mathematical prowess, I guess I will.

    When it comes to reading blogs, I’ve found there is one on every proverbial street corner of the internet that will offer sound advice on blogging, dieting, flossing your teeth, or potty training your doggie or daughter. I’m a businessman at heart, so cut the crap and show me the bottom line. The bare bones data. Right? My time is money, so stop wasting it with frivolous banter and just get to the damned point already!! Or don’t.

    Newsflash – the age of brevity is dead, at least to an extent. Sure, you can find that data laden ‘report’ of a blog but do you really want to? Have we arrived at a point where we’ve actually distanced ourselves by the same technologies that were supposed to bring us closer together? We are impersonal and curt with our interactions. No longer do we sit around laughing together, but that joke sure was funny so I’ll be sure to tell you I was ROFLMAO. No need for a long, drawn out conversation that takes minutes if not hours to arrive at a consensus, let’s wrap this up, I need to get back to playing Angry Birds… and so the rebellion stirs.

    People want more. They want more than cold fact. Honestly, when was the last time you thought, “I wonder what the Encyclopedia Britannica has to say on this subject?” They want personality and flair. I champion objectivity, but objectivity does not excite my soul nor stir my emotions. So as I said, brevity is dead or at least dying. People are rebelling and moving back into the age of ‘story telling’ and real – even if via the internet – human interaction. Don’t worry, I have no studies to substantiate this claim, but I do have a pretty good hunch.

    So what differentiates the bad from the good and the good from the great? Is it length? Nope, not at all. From my perspective it is a combination of 2 things 1) the story telling ability 2) emotional response by readers.

    1) Does your blog weave facts and figures into a well-crafted story?
    2) Does it beget a strong response from me? Am I likely to immediately share, implement, or act upon your advice? Does it awaken something within me that had otherwise been lying dormant?

    I love reading… anything, books, blogs, and nutrition facts on the cereal box…anything.

    Spencer Johnson writes tremendous allegories that I can finish in the time it takes me to finish a Venti Coffee at Barnes and Nobel, but the effect of his words is lasting (doubt me? Read: Who Moved My Cheese?). But I also am a huge fan of Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand, two books that took weeks to intently read and understand. The styles couldn’t be more disparate, but the effect was the same — one happy, raving fan willing to tell anyone with 2 ears how good they were. So word count doesn’t matter. Content, Emotional Response, Enjoyment – those are what matter.

    So I say, Write on Pants, write on. (pun) PS – this was over 500 words. PS I wrote this while making pancakes, so typos, run-ons, comma splices, and incoherency should immediately be forgiven.

  • @Griddy@dino_dogan
    I seriously was going to make a similar comment regarding Tolkien’s LOTR books yesterday, but chose to quell the voice of my inner nerd. Perhaps, I was mistaken not to let the little fella speak up. Now that I’ve been roped in by an ‘elbow to the ribcage’ (read: jeer) about my mathematical prowess, I guess I will.

    When it comes to reading blogs, I’ve found there is one on every proverbial street corner of the internet that will offer sound advice on blogging, dieting, flossing your teeth, or potty training your doggie or daughter. I’m a businessman at heart, so cut the crap and show me the bottom line. The bare bones data. Right? My time is money, so stop wasting it with frivolous banter and just get to the damned point already!! Or don’t.

    Newsflash – the age of brevity is dead, at least to an extent. Sure, you can find that data laden ‘report’ of a blog but do you really want to? Have we arrived at a point where we’ve actually distanced ourselves by the same technologies that were supposed to bring us closer together? We are impersonal and curt with our interactions. No longer do we sit around laughing together, but that joke sure was funny so I’ll be sure to tell you I was ROFLMAO. No need for a long, drawn out conversation that takes minutes if not hours to arrive at a consensus, let’s wrap this up, I need to get back to playing Angry Birds… and so the rebellion stirs.

    People want more. They want more than cold fact. Honestly, when was the last time you thought, “I wonder what the Encyclopedia Britannica has to say on this subject?” They want personality and flair. I champion objectivity, but objectivity does not excite my soul nor stir my emotions. So as I said, brevity is dead or at least dying. People are rebelling and moving back into the age of ‘story telling’ and real – even if via the internet – human interaction. Don’t worry, I have no studies to substantiate this claim, but I do have a pretty good hunch.

    So what differentiates the bad from the good and the good from the great? Is it length? Nope, not at all. From my perspective it is a combination of 2 things 1) the story telling ability 2) emotional response by readers.

    1) Does your blog weave facts and figures into a well-crafted story?
    2) Does it beget a strong response from me? Am I likely to immediately share, implement, or act upon your advice? Does it awaken something within me that had otherwise been lying dormant?

    I love reading… anything, books, blogs, and nutrition facts on the cereal box…anything.

    Spencer Johnson writes tremendous allegories that I can finish in the time it takes me to finish a Venti Coffee at Barnes and Nobel, but the effect of his words is lasting (doubt me? Read: Who Moved My Cheese?). But I also am a huge fan of Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand, two books that took weeks to intently read and understand. The styles couldn’t be more disparate, but the effect was the same — one happy, raving fan willing to tell anyone with 2 ears how good they were. So word count doesn’t matter. Content, Emotional Response, Enjoyment – those are what matter.

    So I say, Write on Pants, write on. (pun) PS – this was over 500 words. PS I wrote this while making pancakes, so typos, run-ons, comma splices, and incoherency should immediately be forgiven.

  • The BBC have a long running comedy radio programme entitled ‘Just a Minute’ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006s5dp) where the guests have to speak for one minute on a subject without hesitation, deviation or repetition. The panellists gain points by challenging the speaker or by being the one who is speaking at the end of the minute.

    I think the same principles could in general be applied to blog posts and comments but without the one minute restriction. Deviation is easy, keep to the subject, repetition is also easy to judge. Hesitation is a harder principle to apply with the written word but my analogy would be ‘get to the point without going all around the houses’.

    So while I agree that ‘the rule is that there is no rule’ I do think applying theses guidelines would benefit us all. Perhaps a developer could come up with a ‘Plug in’ which would allow a ‘Challenge’ button to be added to our blogs with a points system for successful challenges!

    I think you got it about right this time Ingrid, well done to you and to Gini for putting up with you.

    Tony

  • The BBC have a long running comedy radio programme entitled ‘Just a Minute’ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006s5dp) where the guests have to speak for one minute on a subject without hesitation, deviation or repetition. The panellists gain points by challenging the speaker or by being the one who is speaking at the end of the minute.

    I think the same principles could in general be applied to blog posts and comments but without the one minute restriction. Deviation is easy, keep to the subject, repetition is also easy to judge. Hesitation is a harder principle to apply with the written word but my analogy would be ‘get to the point without going all around the houses’.

    So while I agree that ‘the rule is that there is no rule’ I do think applying theses guidelines would benefit us all. Perhaps a developer could come up with a ‘Plug in’ which would allow a ‘Challenge’ button to be added to our blogs with a points system for successful challenges!

    I think you got it about right this time Ingrid, well done to you and to Gini for putting up with you.

    Tony

  • @markwschaefer Good for those of us with ADD : )

  • @markwschaefer Good for those of us with ADD : )

  • @ginidietrich @dino_dogan Actually there’s 50, Dino can see into the future : )

  • @ginidietrich @dino_dogan Actually there’s 50, Dino can see into the future : )

  • @GACConsultants @ginidietrich @dino_dogan That’s along the lines of what I said hehe.

  • @GACConsultants @ginidietrich @dino_dogan That’s along the lines of what I said hehe.

  • @ginidietrich @MySOdotCom Ummm…is YaY, WOW and Thank You 10x too short of an answer here? lol 😉

  • @ginidietrich @MySOdotCom Ummm…is YaY, WOW and Thank You 10x too short of an answer here? lol 😉

  • @Griddy @ginidietrich @Daniel8Lopes Ingrid, you MUST take a picture of your eyelids taped open and share with the community – it’ll go viral : )

  • @Griddy @ginidietrich @Daniel8Lopes Ingrid, you MUST take a picture of your eyelids taped open and share with the community – it’ll go viral : )

  • HowieSPM

    Leave it to @Griddy to go over the 500 word limit (didn’t you see @ginidietrich ‘s rules in the video today? You also mention a bunch of bloggers whom I have no idea who they are except Seth Godin. But he doesn’t allow comments which means he has no community and is just push advertising his brand. I only work with the opt-in folks like @ginidietrich and yourself. I mean no comments? really Seth? no comments me no read..no retweets…won’t buy your book. So sorry. @DannyBrown allows comments but it is on some awkward platform called Gravatar which is really Gravy with a Tar at the end.

    I remember when Gini told me no more than 500 words I was like ‘Don’t you read my comments on your blog? 500 Words to me is like 1 word! And here she is stressing her blog platform with the weight of how many words did you say you wrote here? Like 300 Million Thousand? She must like you or its pay back for you always including her posts in your Sunday round up.

    I fully agree that people’s content and their writing/story telling ability are key to keeping people interested. And we each have styles and interests we gravitate too….wait no… @DannyBrown I said Gravitate! Not Gravatar. Sorry. Anyway as I was blogging, I read the Economist Magazine cover to cover hanging on every word the same way I do a really well written Horror or Sci-Fi/Fantasy Book. It is all about style and content. Has anyone ever been able to connect the Lord of the Rings with the Economist ever? I know you can say it…go ahead you know you want to….here say it with me. Literary Rockstar! There. Thank you. Didn’t that feel good? I am flattered. You really shoul not of said that. But thank you that you did.

    Well I now have other blogs I must go and blog upon. Thanks as always for the delightful prose and wit Ingrid. If it wasn’t for Gini I would never be blogging on your blog posts! Thanks Gini!

  • HowieSPM

    Leave it to @Griddy to go over the 500 word limit (didn’t you see @ginidietrich ‘s rules in the video today? You also mention a bunch of bloggers whom I have no idea who they are except Seth Godin. But he doesn’t allow comments which means he has no community and is just push advertising his brand. I only work with the opt-in folks like @ginidietrich and yourself. I mean no comments? really Seth? no comments me no read..no retweets…won’t buy your book. So sorry. @DannyBrown allows comments but it is on some awkward platform called Gravatar which is really Gravy with a Tar at the end.

    I remember when Gini told me no more than 500 words I was like ‘Don’t you read my comments on your blog? 500 Words to me is like 1 word! And here she is stressing her blog platform with the weight of how many words did you say you wrote here? Like 300 Million Thousand? She must like you or its pay back for you always including her posts in your Sunday round up.

    I fully agree that people’s content and their writing/story telling ability are key to keeping people interested. And we each have styles and interests we gravitate too….wait no… @DannyBrown I said Gravitate! Not Gravatar. Sorry. Anyway as I was blogging, I read the Economist Magazine cover to cover hanging on every word the same way I do a really well written Horror or Sci-Fi/Fantasy Book. It is all about style and content. Has anyone ever been able to connect the Lord of the Rings with the Economist ever? I know you can say it…go ahead you know you want to….here say it with me. Literary Rockstar! There. Thank you. Didn’t that feel good? I am flattered. You really shoul not of said that. But thank you that you did.

    Well I now have other blogs I must go and blog upon. Thanks as always for the delightful prose and wit Ingrid. If it wasn’t for Gini I would never be blogging on your blog posts! Thanks Gini!

  • @3HatsComm ingrid abboud @Shonali @ginidietrich Finally…I’ve been meaning to reply to Davina since last night/dawn (my time) but a gal’s gotta get some sleep at some point eh? lol

    Thank you for that fabulous comment and I’m thrilled you loved this post :). YaY. And you can talk about yourself on here all you want – Gini won’t mind :).

    I’ve definitely done the 500 word thing – and I’m fine with it – but it’s obviously more challenging for me especially if it’s a topic that can be said a lot about. So in that case, I try to present it in an entertaining way – while trying to get the useful information out there.

    I have nothing against shorter posts – on the contrary – but like you said if you can write a 2000 word piece on the magic of PR – make sure you present it in a way that won’t put your readers to sleep. But if you can write in just 500 and get all the points you want across – then by all means do so.

    In writing this post – all I meant to say was that it’s your blog and therefore your rules unless if you’re a guest of course. And it’s important you write in a way that you’re okay with – that you like – that you’re good at – that your audience will find interesting to read (both content and style) and so forth…

    I hear ya about those those slim looking columns – they’re definitely a pain to read sometimes – at least for me. And kudos on your cleverness there hehehe.

    And about the comments – you’re preaching to the choir ma dear hehe (point in case here) – I do the same as you :). I leave long comments but in all honesty its not on purpose. It’s just that when I have something to say – I find other ideas that start to build and I just keep writing. But again – I’d much rather get a comment like yours or mine here or one that says something than the simple drive-by. It doesn’t even have to be long – but it would be great if it says something.

    Either way – all comments (except the spammy ones) are welcome. Who doesn’t like comments? Seriously. Actually – I came across an interesting debate piee over at Corbett Barr’s blog (thinktraffic.net) between 2 bloggers – one for having comments and the other for not allowing them on his site (like Godin I think) – very interesting read. You may want to check it out while writing your articles.

    Needless to say I’ve had a post lurking in my drafts about commenting but still unfinished – will get to it someday soon :).

    Okay – I think it’s time for me to stop haha.
    Thanks again fro leaving that super comment. I appreciate your time and thoughts.
    Cheers

  • @3HatsComm ingrid abboud @Shonali @ginidietrich Finally…I’ve been meaning to reply to Davina since last night/dawn (my time) but a gal’s gotta get some sleep at some point eh? lol

    Thank you for that fabulous comment and I’m thrilled you loved this post :). YaY. And you can talk about yourself on here all you want – Gini won’t mind :).

    I’ve definitely done the 500 word thing – and I’m fine with it – but it’s obviously more challenging for me especially if it’s a topic that can be said a lot about. So in that case, I try to present it in an entertaining way – while trying to get the useful information out there.

    I have nothing against shorter posts – on the contrary – but like you said if you can write a 2000 word piece on the magic of PR – make sure you present it in a way that won’t put your readers to sleep. But if you can write in just 500 and get all the points you want across – then by all means do so.

    In writing this post – all I meant to say was that it’s your blog and therefore your rules unless if you’re a guest of course. And it’s important you write in a way that you’re okay with – that you like – that you’re good at – that your audience will find interesting to read (both content and style) and so forth…

    I hear ya about those those slim looking columns – they’re definitely a pain to read sometimes – at least for me. And kudos on your cleverness there hehehe.

    And about the comments – you’re preaching to the choir ma dear hehe (point in case here) – I do the same as you :). I leave long comments but in all honesty its not on purpose. It’s just that when I have something to say – I find other ideas that start to build and I just keep writing. But again – I’d much rather get a comment like yours or mine here or one that says something than the simple drive-by. It doesn’t even have to be long – but it would be great if it says something.

    Either way – all comments (except the spammy ones) are welcome. Who doesn’t like comments? Seriously. Actually – I came across an interesting debate piee over at Corbett Barr’s blog (thinktraffic.net) between 2 bloggers – one for having comments and the other for not allowing them on his site (like Godin I think) – very interesting read. You may want to check it out while writing your articles.

    Needless to say I’ve had a post lurking in my drafts about commenting but still unfinished – will get to it someday soon :).

    Okay – I think it’s time for me to stop haha.
    Thanks again fro leaving that super comment. I appreciate your time and thoughts.
    Cheers

  • HowieSPM

    @FunkyOzzi @Griddy Ms Ozzi if you were a short prose blogger it would be a disservice to us all because FunkyOzzi should be writing long prose. The name just oozes delightful content.

  • HowieSPM

    @FunkyOzzi @Griddy Ms Ozzi if you were a short prose blogger it would be a disservice to us all because FunkyOzzi should be writing long prose. The name just oozes delightful content.

  • HowieSPM

    @Griddy @markwschaefer So Chris got 274 people out of 200mil people online that day to tweet his 41 words. Very low ROI isn’t it? =P LOL

  • HowieSPM

    @Griddy @markwschaefer So Chris got 274 people out of 200mil people online that day to tweet his 41 words. Very low ROI isn’t it? =P LOL

  • HowieSPM

    @ginidietrich @dino_dogan Who is Harry Potter? Why do so many obscure people and things get talked about on SpinSucks?

  • HowieSPM

    @ginidietrich @dino_dogan Who is Harry Potter? Why do so many obscure people and things get talked about on SpinSucks?

  • HowieSPM

    @Griddy @Daniel8Lopes I have trouble typing English. Just ask the Livefyre folks when I keep saying O Livefyre! O Livefyre! Where four Art Thou Edit Function Livefire?

  • HowieSPM

    @Griddy @Daniel8Lopes I have trouble typing English. Just ask the Livefyre folks when I keep saying O Livefyre! O Livefyre! Where four Art Thou Edit Function Livefire?

  • HowieSPM

    @JMattHicks @3HatsComm @Griddy Hey Jermey did she crash your server yet. If so just send Ingrid the bill. Of course Ingrid then just expenses it on @ginidietrich ‘s account. Gini then just sends Jack Bauer our Spanging for Change in the Loop to pay it off anyway.

  • HowieSPM

    @JMattHicks @3HatsComm @Griddy Hey Jermey did she crash your server yet. If so just send Ingrid the bill. Of course Ingrid then just expenses it on @ginidietrich ‘s account. Gini then just sends Jack Bauer our Spanging for Change in the Loop to pay it off anyway.

  • HowieSPM

    @ginidietrich @Griddy Oh my gawd. PULease get a room!

    Always nice when there is a button saying Show More at the bottom.

  • HowieSPM

    @ginidietrich @Griddy Oh my gawd. PULease get a room!

    Always nice when there is a button saying Show More at the bottom.

  • @HowieSPM @ginidietrich @dino_dogan Jeez Howie! Harry Potter is the little girl from ScoobieDooo – who is interestingly enough, Jack Bauer’s cousin ;).

  • @HowieSPM @ginidietrich @dino_dogan Jeez Howie! Harry Potter is the little girl from ScoobieDooo – who is interestingly enough, Jack Bauer’s cousin ;).

  • 3HatsComm

    @TonyH I like the Challenge plugin suggestion Tony. Comments often lead me to new ideas, which I then end up putting on my own blog posts. Sometimes it’s cause my comments would be too long, others it’s just easier to continue and expand the discussion. I do link back not just to posts but to other comments made; I wish there was a way for a ping or trackback so that not only the blog owner would know, but the commenter as well. Maybe a Continued Elsewhere button too?

  • 3HatsComm

    @TonyH I like the Challenge plugin suggestion Tony. Comments often lead me to new ideas, which I then end up putting on my own blog posts. Sometimes it’s cause my comments would be too long, others it’s just easier to continue and expand the discussion. I do link back not just to posts but to other comments made; I wish there was a way for a ping or trackback so that not only the blog owner would know, but the commenter as well. Maybe a Continued Elsewhere button too?

  • @3HatsComm @TonyH Davina – I do that too :). I often get inspired by other people’s comments for my posts – it’s a great way to never (or almost never) run out of ideas.

    Oh, and I’m lovin these plugin/pinback ideas – from both you and Tony. If no one else does come up with these – US 3 really should – and gini dietrich of course :)! I’m actually kidding but actually not really hmm…. good stuff!

  • @3HatsComm @TonyH Davina – I do that too :). I often get inspired by other people’s comments for my posts – it’s a great way to never (or almost never) run out of ideas.

    Oh, and I’m lovin these plugin/pinback ideas – from both you and Tony. If no one else does come up with these – US 3 really should – and gini dietrich of course :)! I’m actually kidding but actually not really hmm…. good stuff!

  • @GACConsultants @ginidietrich @Daniel8Lopes What a frightful sight that would be Mark lol ;). As fond as I am of the idea of something of mine going viral – I’m kinda worried that it be that haha.

  • @GACConsultants @ginidietrich @Daniel8Lopes What a frightful sight that would be Mark lol ;). As fond as I am of the idea of something of mine going viral – I’m kinda worried that it be that haha.

  • I don’t think that length is all that important, but you have to know your audience. If you’re out to amuse people with a lot of time, being funny is more important than anything else. Typically I like to keep it to 800 words, no more than 1000, on my own blog with complex topics and 400-600 when I’m doing content for other people who are all anal about length.

    But longer posts are good for SEO because at one mention per ‘graph you can stuff the keywords in a lot more often. I do think 800 words is a good max for this reason, but rarely get clients to agree with me.

    I wrote a 1k word rambler today that I hope is funny – haven’t done one like this in a while:
    http://tinyurl.com/4w5t9o9 It’s about the Zodiac and how we got what we have. It’s supposed to ramble, as that’s part of the joke, but it still has to be fairly tightly written as it bounces from one connected tidbit to another. You can judge how well it works!

  • I don’t think that length is all that important, but you have to know your audience. If you’re out to amuse people with a lot of time, being funny is more important than anything else. Typically I like to keep it to 800 words, no more than 1000, on my own blog with complex topics and 400-600 when I’m doing content for other people who are all anal about length.

    But longer posts are good for SEO because at one mention per ‘graph you can stuff the keywords in a lot more often. I do think 800 words is a good max for this reason, but rarely get clients to agree with me.

    I wrote a 1k word rambler today that I hope is funny – haven’t done one like this in a while:
    http://tinyurl.com/4w5t9o9 It’s about the Zodiac and how we got what we have. It’s supposed to ramble, as that’s part of the joke, but it still has to be fairly tightly written as it bounces from one connected tidbit to another. You can judge how well it works!

  • @HowieSPM @ginidietrich I have so many replies to this one Howie – but this all I’m gonna’ say for now LOL 😉

  • @HowieSPM @ginidietrich I have so many replies to this one Howie – but this all I’m gonna’ say for now LOL 😉

  • Daniel8Lopes

    @Griddy @GACConsultants @ginidietrich A topic showing some of our lovely morning faces after a good night of blogging and commenting would be very nice 🙂 Something like “The consequences of Good Blogging” with the respectives stories attached.
    Sounds lovely don’t you think? x)

  • Daniel8Lopes

    @Griddy @GACConsultants @ginidietrich A topic showing some of our lovely morning faces after a good night of blogging and commenting would be very nice 🙂 Something like “The consequences of Good Blogging” with the respectives stories attached.
    Sounds lovely don’t you think? x)

  • Daniel8Lopes

    By topic i mean post sorry

  • Daniel8Lopes

    By topic i mean post sorry

  • @Daniel8Lopes @GACConsultants @ginidietrich Hmmm..very interesting Daniel :). Any more thoughts on that?

  • @Daniel8Lopes @GACConsultants @ginidietrich Hmmm..very interesting Daniel :). Any more thoughts on that?

  • In my opinion the answer depends a lot on the target audience Griddy. While I am a marathon verbal conversationalist I tend to behave a lot more like a sprinter or millennial in that I am pretty much ADD with my reading. I read 1/2 of your post on my iPad earlier this morning and that was as far as I got. If people get and hold my attention for more than 500 words, it must be something I am incredibly interested in. If you’re writing professionally and your target audience is one that will read very long posts, that’s great. If you’re writing personally, it doesn’t matter. If you are writing for the short attention span types professionally, this could be a problem. That said I got enough from what I did read to want to respond, so that proves something. 🙂

    The one time I suspend my Millennial Media ADD is when reading coherent comments that are responding to me or to something I posted. I figure if that person took the time to write a detailed and thoughtful response I should take the time to read it and respond.

    What a great discussion you’ve started, can’t wait to hear more of the responses.

  • In my opinion the answer depends a lot on the target audience Griddy. While I am a marathon verbal conversationalist I tend to behave a lot more like a sprinter or millennial in that I am pretty much ADD with my reading. I read 1/2 of your post on my iPad earlier this morning and that was as far as I got. If people get and hold my attention for more than 500 words, it must be something I am incredibly interested in. If you’re writing professionally and your target audience is one that will read very long posts, that’s great. If you’re writing personally, it doesn’t matter. If you are writing for the short attention span types professionally, this could be a problem. That said I got enough from what I did read to want to respond, so that proves something. 🙂

    The one time I suspend my Millennial Media ADD is when reading coherent comments that are responding to me or to something I posted. I figure if that person took the time to write a detailed and thoughtful response I should take the time to read it and respond.

    What a great discussion you’ve started, can’t wait to hear more of the responses.

  • @markwschaefer Does Chris have you on a promotion retainer these days, Mr. S? 😉

  • @markwschaefer Does Chris have you on a promotion retainer these days, Mr. S? 😉

  • @JayDolan Hi Jay,
    Yes, the topic of the post is a factor (amongst others) – but from what I understand, it seems that you write in a way (whether short and long) that best suits you and your audience – which I agree with. If that works for you then great :).

    I do a bit of both – long and short – but obviously I do the long ones quite often but I try to keep them entertaining all the while useful or insightful in some way.

    I do think however, that more and more – people read on the web – but like you said it makes things a lot easier if the formatting is friendly. Using bullets and headlines where appropriate is great and pleasant on the eyes.

    A lot more I could say here – obviously lol – but I think we are on the same wavelength on some of your points.

    Thank you for taking the time to comment. Appreciated.
    Cheers

  • @JayDolan Hi Jay,
    Yes, the topic of the post is a factor (amongst others) – but from what I understand, it seems that you write in a way (whether short and long) that best suits you and your audience – which I agree with. If that works for you then great :).

    I do a bit of both – long and short – but obviously I do the long ones quite often but I try to keep them entertaining all the while useful or insightful in some way.

    I do think however, that more and more – people read on the web – but like you said it makes things a lot easier if the formatting is friendly. Using bullets and headlines where appropriate is great and pleasant on the eyes.

    A lot more I could say here – obviously lol – but I think we are on the same wavelength on some of your points.

    Thank you for taking the time to comment. Appreciated.
    Cheers

  • @hackmanj Hiya Joe,
    Well as much as I’d like to persuade you to read the other 1/2 (cause it’s better lol) I’m kinda happy that it only took a part to make you want to come back and comment. So, YaY and thank you. I appreciate your time and your thoughts on the topic.

    And you’re right about the target audience Joe. It’s good to know yours. But to get to know them, you need to listen to them as well. As much as I want to write for them – I think you should write for yourself too. Be authentic and they may like you. Be witty yet provide information that could help them or interest them, and they might come back. Answer their questions, reply to their comments, and they may do the same for you (but do them anyways without expecting anything in return).

    I’m a copywriter and therefore have adapted to writing in different styles. One of the first questions I ask a new client is: “Who is your target audience”, “Who’s gonna’ read this and where are they located mostly?” If I’m writing the Bank’s Chairman’s message on the annual report, than I sincerely doubt I would use the same tone or style that you see here or on my blog – not to mention the lengths.

    Speaking of lengths (this comment is long – yes, I know lol) I do write shorter posts as well. I’m totally for them when I deem them necessary and when I can say what I need to briefly or in the space allowed. But again “my blog, my rules” and I do mix it up a bit. I’m comfortable with both but obviously I seem to have a preference – and so far it seems to be working for me (I hope).

    Now I know some may not believe this – due to my “not so short” posts and comments – but I too really need to be captivated by something (however way that is) to read it in its entirety. Be funny, be smart, be intelligent, be insightful, be brief or beneficial, long or witty, whatever…but be something good and ignite a spark in me to make me want to follow through and react somehow.

    I can actually count/name the books I read in full in school. As for the rest – thank God for Cliff notes lol. College and grad school were a different story though.

    As for removing the MM ADD hat when it comes to reading comments – I’m with you 110%. A good or thoughtful comment (like yours and others here) does indeed deserve to not only be heard – but replied to accordingly.

    Thanks again for stopping by and sharing your views. I’m glad you’re enjoying the discussion so far.

    Obviously I could go on but… 🙂
    Cheers

  • @hackmanj Hiya Joe,
    Well as much as I’d like to persuade you to read the other 1/2 (cause it’s better lol) I’m kinda happy that it only took a part to make you want to come back and comment. So, YaY and thank you. I appreciate your time and your thoughts on the topic.

    And you’re right about the target audience Joe. It’s good to know yours. But to get to know them, you need to listen to them as well. As much as I want to write for them – I think you should write for yourself too. Be authentic and they may like you. Be witty yet provide information that could help them or interest them, and they might come back. Answer their questions, reply to their comments, and they may do the same for you (but do them anyways without expecting anything in return).

    I’m a copywriter and therefore have adapted to writing in different styles. One of the first questions I ask a new client is: “Who is your target audience”, “Who’s gonna’ read this and where are they located mostly?” If I’m writing the Bank’s Chairman’s message on the annual report, than I sincerely doubt I would use the same tone or style that you see here or on my blog – not to mention the lengths.

    Speaking of lengths (this comment is long – yes, I know lol) I do write shorter posts as well. I’m totally for them when I deem them necessary and when I can say what I need to briefly or in the space allowed. But again “my blog, my rules” and I do mix it up a bit. I’m comfortable with both but obviously I seem to have a preference – and so far it seems to be working for me (I hope).

    Now I know some may not believe this – due to my “not so short” posts and comments – but I too really need to be captivated by something (however way that is) to read it in its entirety. Be funny, be smart, be intelligent, be insightful, be brief or beneficial, long or witty, whatever…but be something good and ignite a spark in me to make me want to follow through and react somehow.

    I can actually count/name the books I read in full in school. As for the rest – thank God for Cliff notes lol. College and grad school were a different story though.

    As for removing the MM ADD hat when it comes to reading comments – I’m with you 110%. A good or thoughtful comment (like yours and others here) does indeed deserve to not only be heard – but replied to accordingly.

    Thanks again for stopping by and sharing your views. I’m glad you’re enjoying the discussion so far.

    Obviously I could go on but… 🙂
    Cheers

  • SocialSideMedia

    Griddy, this was a brilliant post! I really enjoy your writing style and had the post not been about blog length I wouldn’t have even thought about it, as you had me engaged from the get go. I have always been one to say, “Keep your posts short! We live in an ADD era.” You make a great case to not limit oneself at all. In fact, longer posts may get you a better reading audience and perhaps better comments as well. It stands to reason if they hang with you ’til the end then they must be a true fan. I am. 🙂

  • SocialSideMedia

    Griddy, this was a brilliant post! I really enjoy your writing style and had the post not been about blog length I wouldn’t have even thought about it, as you had me engaged from the get go. I have always been one to say, “Keep your posts short! We live in an ADD era.” You make a great case to not limit oneself at all. In fact, longer posts may get you a better reading audience and perhaps better comments as well. It stands to reason if they hang with you ’til the end then they must be a true fan. I am. 🙂

  • @JamesDBurrell2 Jamey – this is my place holder :). Will be back to answer both of your comments :). WOW and wow again and a big fat thank you!

  • @JamesDBurrell2 Jamey – this is my place holder :). Will be back to answer both of your comments :). WOW and wow again and a big fat thank you!

  • C_Pappas

    It really shouldn’t be about ‘too long’, ‘too short’ or ‘just right’, the question is: how long does it take for you to tell your story, make a case or explain a point (like this post). It may take 1 paragraph, it may be 2000 words. The point is, you are limiting yourself immensely if you always have to be within the same word count limit. Its very hard to do.

    We started a content strategy on our blog last year and were advised to keep posts in 500 words or less. Assuming to help capture attention, keep interest and not drown our audience even further with more stuff to read. But it was a very interesting excercise as a writer to try and keep within the guidelines and tone down my tangents.

    I love that you wrote a long post about writing long posts. I knew what was coming at the end before I got there, but I enjoyed your conversational style throughout. One question I do have is that when you are a blogger representing a brand, you have a different obligation and the ‘freedom’ to write and publish posts like this is not as easily obtained. Should corporations restrict the creativity of their writers to preserve the voice of the brand? Or should ambitious writers start their own blog and contribute as needed as part of their job responsibilities?

  • C_Pappas

    It really shouldn’t be about ‘too long’, ‘too short’ or ‘just right’, the question is: how long does it take for you to tell your story, make a case or explain a point (like this post). It may take 1 paragraph, it may be 2000 words. The point is, you are limiting yourself immensely if you always have to be within the same word count limit. Its very hard to do.

    We started a content strategy on our blog last year and were advised to keep posts in 500 words or less. Assuming to help capture attention, keep interest and not drown our audience even further with more stuff to read. But it was a very interesting excercise as a writer to try and keep within the guidelines and tone down my tangents.

    I love that you wrote a long post about writing long posts. I knew what was coming at the end before I got there, but I enjoyed your conversational style throughout. One question I do have is that when you are a blogger representing a brand, you have a different obligation and the ‘freedom’ to write and publish posts like this is not as easily obtained. Should corporations restrict the creativity of their writers to preserve the voice of the brand? Or should ambitious writers start their own blog and contribute as needed as part of their job responsibilities?

  • @SocialSideMedia Hey Michael,
    Wow – I really appreciate your comment. Not sure about “brilliant” but heck, I’ll take it lol. Thank you so much :).

    It’s funny that you mention that cause I asked a couple commenter’s a similar question. Basically, I reminded readers about the length of this post (although I don’t think it’s ridiculously long) and had the topic been about something else but with the same style of writing – would they have noticed? Would they have read till the end?

    Obviously – as you can see from the comments (YaY) – quite a few did ;). It’s not that I’m only promoting long posts, not at all – I’m promoting both and saying to write what best works for you – but know your audience in the process. But if you plan on going for the longer post – make sure to add value and make it easy to read or digest.

    As for the ADD era – you’re right. Even I don’t have the patience to read a post that “looks” long sometimes – so I may skim it first to see whether it’s worth it or not. That’s where the formatting plays a role as well. If I see long paragraphs (or just one that goes on for 3 pages), no visual, no subheadings…then I may think twice. But if the opening paragraph is captivating and the rest looks “light” to read but with tons of useful/entertaining/helpful… information – then absolutely!

    If people trust you and they like your style of writing, then regardless of the length of the post – they’ll expect it to be worthy.

    Anyhow – I’m certainly glad that you are a “true fan” – and flattered as well :). I would go on but I’m afraid that I may be less coherent seeing the time where I am (3am).

    Thanks again for your supportive words. Much appreciated.
    Cheers
    PS – I do write “shorter” posts as well lol. Oh, and comments ;).

  • @SocialSideMedia Hey Michael,
    Wow – I really appreciate your comment. Not sure about “brilliant” but heck, I’ll take it lol. Thank you so much :).

    It’s funny that you mention that cause I asked a couple commenter’s a similar question. Basically, I reminded readers about the length of this post (although I don’t think it’s ridiculously long) and had the topic been about something else but with the same style of writing – would they have noticed? Would they have read till the end?

    Obviously – as you can see from the comments (YaY) – quite a few did ;). It’s not that I’m only promoting long posts, not at all – I’m promoting both and saying to write what best works for you – but know your audience in the process. But if you plan on going for the longer post – make sure to add value and make it easy to read or digest.

    As for the ADD era – you’re right. Even I don’t have the patience to read a post that “looks” long sometimes – so I may skim it first to see whether it’s worth it or not. That’s where the formatting plays a role as well. If I see long paragraphs (or just one that goes on for 3 pages), no visual, no subheadings…then I may think twice. But if the opening paragraph is captivating and the rest looks “light” to read but with tons of useful/entertaining/helpful… information – then absolutely!

    If people trust you and they like your style of writing, then regardless of the length of the post – they’ll expect it to be worthy.

    Anyhow – I’m certainly glad that you are a “true fan” – and flattered as well :). I would go on but I’m afraid that I may be less coherent seeing the time where I am (3am).

    Thanks again for your supportive words. Much appreciated.
    Cheers
    PS – I do write “shorter” posts as well lol. Oh, and comments ;).

  • Nice to see your posts are as long as your comments, miss, especially away from your own blog, hehe.

    The way I always look at is is that it’s done when it’s done. If it takes 200 or 2,000, then so be it. I have no issue with length of post – as long as it’s not long just to try and prove some imaginary point of being intellectually superior.

    Mind you, there are some blogs where every single post is over 1,500 words and I just don’t have the inclination to read. Oh well – my loss, I guess… 😉

  • Nice to see your posts are as long as your comments, miss, especially away from your own blog, hehe.

    The way I always look at is is that it’s done when it’s done. If it takes 200 or 2,000, then so be it. I have no issue with length of post – as long as it’s not long just to try and prove some imaginary point of being intellectually superior.

    Mind you, there are some blogs where every single post is over 1,500 words and I just don’t have the inclination to read. Oh well – my loss, I guess… 😉

  • @Daniel8Lopes Well hello again Daniel 🙂
    I hear ya about needing the sleep and no need to apologize whatsoever. Seeing the time difference, I’m a bit late in replying to you as well ;).

    Actually, I understood you quite well – and I agree – you never said that you weren’t a fan of “big” posts – and neither did I.

    I also second what you said about the longer a post is – the more useful information it should contain (whether useful, insightful, humorous, entertaining…).

    As you mentioned – there are always a few words you can take out here and there – but at times you may need to use them (such as” in my opinion” or others) just so there is no confusion or that something isn’t interpreted the wrong way.

    As for this: “I agree that sometimes the text is already compact and there is no way to shorten it, but if that’s the case then you must already have a very engaging text :)”

    Well seeing that my post was a bit longer than the proposed “norm” (not sure who proposed it haha) – I’m hoping that I did have an engaging text and that it spoke to you and with you somehow ;). Either way, I certainly appreciate your engagement here and thank you for taking the time to come back and reply.
    Appreciated.

    Cheers
    PS – looks like you and I agree on a few things 🙂

  • @Daniel8Lopes Well hello again Daniel 🙂
    I hear ya about needing the sleep and no need to apologize whatsoever. Seeing the time difference, I’m a bit late in replying to you as well ;).

    Actually, I understood you quite well – and I agree – you never said that you weren’t a fan of “big” posts – and neither did I.

    I also second what you said about the longer a post is – the more useful information it should contain (whether useful, insightful, humorous, entertaining…).

    As you mentioned – there are always a few words you can take out here and there – but at times you may need to use them (such as” in my opinion” or others) just so there is no confusion or that something isn’t interpreted the wrong way.

    As for this: “I agree that sometimes the text is already compact and there is no way to shorten it, but if that’s the case then you must already have a very engaging text :)”

    Well seeing that my post was a bit longer than the proposed “norm” (not sure who proposed it haha) – I’m hoping that I did have an engaging text and that it spoke to you and with you somehow ;). Either way, I certainly appreciate your engagement here and thank you for taking the time to come back and reply.
    Appreciated.

    Cheers
    PS – looks like you and I agree on a few things 🙂

  • @EricaAllison Hey Erica,
    I apologize for keeping you waiting for a reply :(. As you can imagine – it’s been overwhelming here – but in a very pleasant and exciting way. It’s great hearing all these different perspectives from folks and I’m learning a lot from them.

    As for those words to live by – well I’m trying haha. I’m also trying to impose them in everyday life but alas…Not quite the same as my blogging house lol.

    I hate to sound repetitive but I’ll say it again – and this is just my personal take on it. Write the way you like. Write for yourself first but make sure to know your audience and write for them as well. Talk to the, listen to them, see what they respond to and what they don’t. But this does not come overnight. It takes time to get to know your readers and to get them to trust you and refer to you as a credible source (depending on your niche if you have one).

    If you can do what you need to in a short post – then go ahead. If you need more space – then again, do it! But if you do need more space – your readers may expect more from you – so the key is to retain them somehow.

    As for me – I write (in my blog) the way I talk. And it think it works for me that way and so far it seems to be working for my wonderful readers. And yes, it does seem like we’re chatting over coffee doesn’t it? What? Sorry didn’t hear you, the espresso machine in the back is so frickin’ loud! Oh, okay – you said you agree, Yay.

    If you make them laugh – they may come back – cause let’s be honest – who doesn’t like to laugh? If you present them with well-thought out topics, they may read and share. If you engage with them, they may engage back. But if you don’t do any of these, then don’t expect much. Again – these are just mu thoughts in general.

    You said it quite well in your last paragraph. Be true to yourself and your brand.
    Thank you for your Mahhhhvelous comment. It’s very much appreciated! And I will keep doing this for as long as I can :).

    Cheers
    Happy Weekend

  • @EricaAllison Hey Erica,
    I apologize for keeping you waiting for a reply :(. As you can imagine – it’s been overwhelming here – but in a very pleasant and exciting way. It’s great hearing all these different perspectives from folks and I’m learning a lot from them.

    As for those words to live by – well I’m trying haha. I’m also trying to impose them in everyday life but alas…Not quite the same as my blogging house lol.

    I hate to sound repetitive but I’ll say it again – and this is just my personal take on it. Write the way you like. Write for yourself first but make sure to know your audience and write for them as well. Talk to the, listen to them, see what they respond to and what they don’t. But this does not come overnight. It takes time to get to know your readers and to get them to trust you and refer to you as a credible source (depending on your niche if you have one).

    If you can do what you need to in a short post – then go ahead. If you need more space – then again, do it! But if you do need more space – your readers may expect more from you – so the key is to retain them somehow.

    As for me – I write (in my blog) the way I talk. And it think it works for me that way and so far it seems to be working for my wonderful readers. And yes, it does seem like we’re chatting over coffee doesn’t it? What? Sorry didn’t hear you, the espresso machine in the back is so frickin’ loud! Oh, okay – you said you agree, Yay.

    If you make them laugh – they may come back – cause let’s be honest – who doesn’t like to laugh? If you present them with well-thought out topics, they may read and share. If you engage with them, they may engage back. But if you don’t do any of these, then don’t expect much. Again – these are just mu thoughts in general.

    You said it quite well in your last paragraph. Be true to yourself and your brand.
    Thank you for your Mahhhhvelous comment. It’s very much appreciated! And I will keep doing this for as long as I can :).

    Cheers
    Happy Weekend

  • @3HatsComm ingrid abboud @Shonali @ginidietrich “Comments are the Shiz” has to be the Funniest thing I’ve read all week! Seriously, Davina, that does not look like it would come out of your mouth (judging from your picture of course, having never met you in person). Love it.

  • @3HatsComm ingrid abboud @Shonali @ginidietrich “Comments are the Shiz” has to be the Funniest thing I’ve read all week! Seriously, Davina, that does not look like it would come out of your mouth (judging from your picture of course, having never met you in person). Love it.

  • @Griddy You’ve got to be the sweetest of all sweet hearts responding to each and every comment in such a thoughtful manner. @ginidietrich sets the gold standard for that on her blog and you definitely lived up to that. It’s no secret that I’m new to this community of bloggers (it’s like a little family, really) and I continue to be completely awe struck at the generosity, the camaraderie, the respect and the intelligent discourse found throughout. What makes SpinSucks and the many other blogs represented here by their comments part of the community that I keep coming back to is that no one takes themselves too seriously (many have a right to feel quite proud of themselves, for sure), and there’s an overwhelmingly welcoming (that’s a tongue-twister) nature and environment that encourages growth, conversation and pushes us each to think about “it” – whatever “it might be – just a bit more than we would have otherwise.

    I don’t think it’s the wine talking 🙂 when I say I’m so glad to have come across not only Spin Sucks and Gini Dietrich (must remember who it was that suggested her), but you, @Shonali , @3HatsComm , @HowieSPM , @hackmanj , and the countless others who take the time to not only stop by, but read the post, comment, and then comment again along the thread.

    Thanks! Have a FANTASTIC weekend.

  • @Griddy You’ve got to be the sweetest of all sweet hearts responding to each and every comment in such a thoughtful manner. @ginidietrich sets the gold standard for that on her blog and you definitely lived up to that. It’s no secret that I’m new to this community of bloggers (it’s like a little family, really) and I continue to be completely awe struck at the generosity, the camaraderie, the respect and the intelligent discourse found throughout. What makes SpinSucks and the many other blogs represented here by their comments part of the community that I keep coming back to is that no one takes themselves too seriously (many have a right to feel quite proud of themselves, for sure), and there’s an overwhelmingly welcoming (that’s a tongue-twister) nature and environment that encourages growth, conversation and pushes us each to think about “it” – whatever “it might be – just a bit more than we would have otherwise.

    I don’t think it’s the wine talking 🙂 when I say I’m so glad to have come across not only Spin Sucks and Gini Dietrich (must remember who it was that suggested her), but you, @Shonali , @3HatsComm , @HowieSPM , @hackmanj , and the countless others who take the time to not only stop by, but read the post, comment, and then comment again along the thread.

    Thanks! Have a FANTASTIC weekend.

  • TroyClaus

    This isn’t a long post! You’ve left longer comments on my blog LOL!

    Great job Ingrid, I agree that you should write until your heart is content…BUT… if your post are long, you better be one heck of a writer to keep their attention. You’re safe there Ingrid, don’t worry 🙂

    Cheers,

    Troy

  • TroyClaus

    This isn’t a long post! You’ve left longer comments on my blog LOL!

    Great job Ingrid, I agree that you should write until your heart is content…BUT… if your post are long, you better be one heck of a writer to keep their attention. You’re safe there Ingrid, don’t worry 🙂

    Cheers,

    Troy

  • @TroyClaus Well Hello there Mr. Claus 🙂

    It’s strange but I have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t recall ever leaving longish comments anywhere – totally not my style (cough & a ROTFL & a wink)!

    I’m psyched that you took the time to drop by and leave those kind words :). Thank you Troy. And even happier to know you enjoyed this post.

    I agree – if it’s gonna be a longer one – you better find a way to keep your readers till the end.

    Thanks again for what you said Bonsai Boy. I really appreciate it – as usual.

    Have a great weekend.
    Cheers

  • @TroyClaus Well Hello there Mr. Claus 🙂

    It’s strange but I have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t recall ever leaving longish comments anywhere – totally not my style (cough & a ROTFL & a wink)!

    I’m psyched that you took the time to drop by and leave those kind words :). Thank you Troy. And even happier to know you enjoyed this post.

    I agree – if it’s gonna be a longer one – you better find a way to keep your readers till the end.

    Thanks again for what you said Bonsai Boy. I really appreciate it – as usual.

    Have a great weekend.
    Cheers

  • @DannyBrown Hiya Danny,
    And thank you for coming over here and taking the time to read this and comment – YaY ;).

    Well, I just finished answering your other half up there :). And like I told him, no clue what you mean by my long comments in general – Huh…I don’t know why everyone is getting that impression of me hahaha (insert sarcastic wink here).

    I agree – use as many words as you need (within reason – maybe not 20,000 for a blog post) to get your message across – just know how to use them properly.

    Oddly enough, I don’t think that all of my blog posts surpass 1,500 words – I know this one doesn’t and I have quite a few shorter ones on my blog. I try to mix it up as I know people don’t have the same attention span or energy to read everyday. Some days yes, some days no.

    As long as I keep my post useful and entertaining in some way – I think I’m fine with that.

    Thanks again for your thoughts Bonsai Boy :). I’m sure you know that already, but you truly have been an inspiration to me throughout this blogging journey of mine. Learning from you is always a pleasure and your posts always manage to make an impact. Hats off.

    Enjoy your weekend
    Cheers

  • @DannyBrown Hiya Danny,
    And thank you for coming over here and taking the time to read this and comment – YaY ;).

    Well, I just finished answering your other half up there :). And like I told him, no clue what you mean by my long comments in general – Huh…I don’t know why everyone is getting that impression of me hahaha (insert sarcastic wink here).

    I agree – use as many words as you need (within reason – maybe not 20,000 for a blog post) to get your message across – just know how to use them properly.

    Oddly enough, I don’t think that all of my blog posts surpass 1,500 words – I know this one doesn’t and I have quite a few shorter ones on my blog. I try to mix it up as I know people don’t have the same attention span or energy to read everyday. Some days yes, some days no.

    As long as I keep my post useful and entertaining in some way – I think I’m fine with that.

    Thanks again for your thoughts Bonsai Boy :). I’m sure you know that already, but you truly have been an inspiration to me throughout this blogging journey of mine. Learning from you is always a pleasure and your posts always manage to make an impact. Hats off.

    Enjoy your weekend
    Cheers

  • Legth is not really the issue. It’s all about writing. The problem with many blog posts is that they are introspective without much of a point.

    Intimacy combined with passivity is like a bad relationship. If you insist on being immediate and personal, keep your language active and purposeful and it will move along.

  • Legth is not really the issue. It’s all about writing. The problem with many blog posts is that they are introspective without much of a point.

    Intimacy combined with passivity is like a bad relationship. If you insist on being immediate and personal, keep your language active and purposeful and it will move along.

  • @wabbitoid HI Erik,
    I agree about knowing your audience – it’s extremely important and allows you to know what will retain them and what won’t.

    Although length may not be important – it’s essential to make the longish posts captivating somehow. People usually expect to gain more out of a longer post – they expect it to have more valuable information – in general. So if you’re (that goes for me as well obviously) gonna’ go with a longer one – than find a way to either entertain them or make them want to tread till the end somehow.

    Each person has their own unique style (at least I hope) and each has a comfort zone. I tend to mix it up between the short and long posts – but I obviously have a tendency to go with the longer ones more often. That’s why I think formatting is key here as well. A lot of people tend to skim longer looking posts before reading to them to see if they’re worth it (I do too) – so make sure you have the subheadings, the short paragraphs, the bullets if you need them, the visuals, etc…

    It’s funny because when I write – I never take SEO into consideration – not a very smart thing I know. It’s actually something I need to work on more this year. But that’s a good point you make.

    400 or 800 – do whatever works for you and your audience. But either way – make them want to finish reading it and try to hook them from the first paragraph.

    I’ve already opened your Zodiac article in a new tab and will get to it shortly I hope :).
    Thanks a lot for dropping by and sharing your views on this. Appreciated.
    Enjoy your weekend.
    Cheers

  • @wabbitoid HI Erik,
    I agree about knowing your audience – it’s extremely important and allows you to know what will retain them and what won’t.

    Although length may not be important – it’s essential to make the longish posts captivating somehow. People usually expect to gain more out of a longer post – they expect it to have more valuable information – in general. So if you’re (that goes for me as well obviously) gonna’ go with a longer one – than find a way to either entertain them or make them want to tread till the end somehow.

    Each person has their own unique style (at least I hope) and each has a comfort zone. I tend to mix it up between the short and long posts – but I obviously have a tendency to go with the longer ones more often. That’s why I think formatting is key here as well. A lot of people tend to skim longer looking posts before reading to them to see if they’re worth it (I do too) – so make sure you have the subheadings, the short paragraphs, the bullets if you need them, the visuals, etc…

    It’s funny because when I write – I never take SEO into consideration – not a very smart thing I know. It’s actually something I need to work on more this year. But that’s a good point you make.

    400 or 800 – do whatever works for you and your audience. But either way – make them want to finish reading it and try to hook them from the first paragraph.

    I’ve already opened your Zodiac article in a new tab and will get to it shortly I hope :).
    Thanks a lot for dropping by and sharing your views on this. Appreciated.
    Enjoy your weekend.
    Cheers

  • @FunkyOzzi Hey Liliane,
    Please excuse the late reply.

    And I hear ya – I got what you meant :).

    I agree with you on this – that when I see a longer looking post – I expect it to add more value or more humor, or more insight or more of something (whatever that may be) that will keep reading it till the end.

    I was trying to think if I had to sum up this post in just one line or so what would it be. And honestly I guess I would go with “My blog, my rules – your blog, your rules. Know your audience but be yourself.” What do you think?

    But I really hope that I don’t have to – cause I kinda like the rest of the text here hahaha. Plus now, I want to add more to that line LOL.

    Thanks again for taking the time to come back and reply. I appreciate it. And I’m glad I did something right to draw you in :).

    It’s clearly obvious that you love blogging and all that comes with it. You’re doing a heck of a job with your sites.
    Have a great weekend.
    Cheers

  • @FunkyOzzi Hey Liliane,
    Please excuse the late reply.

    And I hear ya – I got what you meant :).

    I agree with you on this – that when I see a longer looking post – I expect it to add more value or more humor, or more insight or more of something (whatever that may be) that will keep reading it till the end.

    I was trying to think if I had to sum up this post in just one line or so what would it be. And honestly I guess I would go with “My blog, my rules – your blog, your rules. Know your audience but be yourself.” What do you think?

    But I really hope that I don’t have to – cause I kinda like the rest of the text here hahaha. Plus now, I want to add more to that line LOL.

    Thanks again for taking the time to come back and reply. I appreciate it. And I’m glad I did something right to draw you in :).

    It’s clearly obvious that you love blogging and all that comes with it. You’re doing a heck of a job with your sites.
    Have a great weekend.
    Cheers

  • @Griddy
    I am going to thoroughly read the other 1/2 because you took the time to give me a response that could easily be a blog post by itself! I think when I stop reading I start scanning, I read the paragraph titles, scan for words that grab me. I might end up reading a few more sentences in some cases. I know, total ADD, to my defense though I do juggle a lot professionally and personally (not implying you don’t, that’s just my excuse!). To your response it sounds like we do agree, but you definitely have a greater commitment to being thorough and I am definitely try to really summarize. 🙂

    I am confident I will be learning from you, I look forward to your future posts and kudos to @ginidietrich for inviting you to guest post.

  • @Griddy
    I am going to thoroughly read the other 1/2 because you took the time to give me a response that could easily be a blog post by itself! I think when I stop reading I start scanning, I read the paragraph titles, scan for words that grab me. I might end up reading a few more sentences in some cases. I know, total ADD, to my defense though I do juggle a lot professionally and personally (not implying you don’t, that’s just my excuse!). To your response it sounds like we do agree, but you definitely have a greater commitment to being thorough and I am definitely try to really summarize. 🙂

    I am confident I will be learning from you, I look forward to your future posts and kudos to @ginidietrich for inviting you to guest post.

  • 3HatsComm

    @EricaAllison ingrid abboud @Shonali @ginidietrich See that’s what makes this FUN. 😉

  • 3HatsComm

    @EricaAllison ingrid abboud @Shonali @ginidietrich See that’s what makes this FUN. 😉

  • 3HatsComm

    @EricaAllison @Griddy @ginidietrich @Shonali @HowieSPM @hackmanj I want to quip something clever about “conversation” but you’ve already done that, so I’ll just ask if you brough enough wine for the rest of the class?

  • 3HatsComm

    @EricaAllison @Griddy @ginidietrich @Shonali @HowieSPM @hackmanj I want to quip something clever about “conversation” but you’ve already done that, so I’ll just ask if you brough enough wine for the rest of the class?

  • 3HatsComm

    @DannyBrown Good point about styles like “intellectually superior.” It’s not that some posts are long or short – just they style, the way they’re written. Or rather if I like how they’re written, if it’s something I find approachable, readable or not. Think that’s the concensus: if it’s good, interesting to us as readers.. we’ll read it, long or short. FWIW.

  • 3HatsComm

    @DannyBrown Good point about styles like “intellectually superior.” It’s not that some posts are long or short – just they style, the way they’re written. Or rather if I like how they’re written, if it’s something I find approachable, readable or not. Think that’s the concensus: if it’s good, interesting to us as readers.. we’ll read it, long or short. FWIW.

  • @hackmanj @ginidietrich Joe – thanks so much for taking the time to come back and reply. And of course – for reading the rest of the post LOL. So how was it? Worth it or not really?

    I tend to scan/skim as well before deciding whether to read a longer looking post or not. That’s another reason why I think formatting is really important – subheadings, short paragraphs, bullets, bold letters and so forth. These do make a difference.

    I do my best to be thorough but obviously we all have our weak moments lol.
    Once again – I appreciate what you said. I think I have a lot to learn from you too as well as many of the wonderful peeps that took the time to read this and comment.

    And yes. kudos to Gini hahaha. But I gotta’ tell ya – I’m very honored that she invited me here. She’s just an amazing all-round gal. Funny, intelligent, a pro at what she does, witty and friendly – are but a few of her many qualities.

    Thanks again for dropping by and enjoy your Sunday.
    Cheers

  • @hackmanj @ginidietrich Joe – thanks so much for taking the time to come back and reply. And of course – for reading the rest of the post LOL. So how was it? Worth it or not really?

    I tend to scan/skim as well before deciding whether to read a longer looking post or not. That’s another reason why I think formatting is really important – subheadings, short paragraphs, bullets, bold letters and so forth. These do make a difference.

    I do my best to be thorough but obviously we all have our weak moments lol.
    Once again – I appreciate what you said. I think I have a lot to learn from you too as well as many of the wonderful peeps that took the time to read this and comment.

    And yes. kudos to Gini hahaha. But I gotta’ tell ya – I’m very honored that she invited me here. She’s just an amazing all-round gal. Funny, intelligent, a pro at what she does, witty and friendly – are but a few of her many qualities.

    Thanks again for dropping by and enjoy your Sunday.
    Cheers

  • @HowieSPM @ginidietrich @DannyBrown Howie, Howie, Howie (yes that’s 3x Howie LOL)

    Boy do I love it when you stop by – well….pretty much anywhere – but all the more pleasure and fun when it’s on one of my posts :).

    And Gini, Danny and Troy think I leave long comments! HA!
    As for the bloggers I mentioned – they’re all awesome professional ping pong players that blog about their respective pinging skills hahaha. Except Godin – he’s more into badmington and talks about that ;).

    It’s true about Godin – he doesn’t allow comments :(. I actually mentioned that in one of my replies here yesterday. I read an interesting debate actually on Corbett Barr’s blog – Think Traffic – between two bloggers; one that defends the pro comment side and the other the ney side. Pretty interesting – you should check it out – I would fetch you the direct link but it’s 4 am and I’m being lazy haha.

    In my defense – my surpassing the allowed word limit here was an honest mistake – I truly thought it was 1000. And I was actually willing to write another post cause this one would have been a bit hard for met to cut down. But YaY for Gini for liking it enough and agreeing to post it anyways :). And IT’S NOT 300 MILLION THOUSAND – it’s a tad bit less lol.

    As for including her in my roundups – I promise you that the posts I include in there are well worth the read – and her’s are indeed. I don’t do it cause I absolutely love her and admire here – I do it cause they rock. And if this is a payback (a kind one) then hell – I’ll take it ;)!

    As for you talking to yourself about Lord of the Rings and The Economist – okay, sure – whatever you say hehe. But yes, The Economist does have some fantastic articles – although I’m not the most avid reader of it – so I’ll take your word on it and LOTR.

    Story telling is always a good way to go if you know how to do it properly – actually joey strawn does a great job of doing that. If you’re not familiar with his work – definitely check him out – he writes on his blog and @DannyBrown ‘s For Bloggers, By Bloggers.

    Thank you so much for always being such a super engager and commenter – and for your kind and supportive words :). I guess we are both indebted to Gini for having connected with each other :). So…Thank YOU Gin Gin :).

    Have a great Sunday

    Cheers to the Chief Alien

  • @HowieSPM @ginidietrich @DannyBrown Howie, Howie, Howie (yes that’s 3x Howie LOL)

    Boy do I love it when you stop by – well….pretty much anywhere – but all the more pleasure and fun when it’s on one of my posts :).

    And Gini, Danny and Troy think I leave long comments! HA!
    As for the bloggers I mentioned – they’re all awesome professional ping pong players that blog about their respective pinging skills hahaha. Except Godin – he’s more into badmington and talks about that ;).

    It’s true about Godin – he doesn’t allow comments :(. I actually mentioned that in one of my replies here yesterday. I read an interesting debate actually on Corbett Barr’s blog – Think Traffic – between two bloggers; one that defends the pro comment side and the other the ney side. Pretty interesting – you should check it out – I would fetch you the direct link but it’s 4 am and I’m being lazy haha.

    In my defense – my surpassing the allowed word limit here was an honest mistake – I truly thought it was 1000. And I was actually willing to write another post cause this one would have been a bit hard for met to cut down. But YaY for Gini for liking it enough and agreeing to post it anyways :). And IT’S NOT 300 MILLION THOUSAND – it’s a tad bit less lol.

    As for including her in my roundups – I promise you that the posts I include in there are well worth the read – and her’s are indeed. I don’t do it cause I absolutely love her and admire here – I do it cause they rock. And if this is a payback (a kind one) then hell – I’ll take it ;)!

    As for you talking to yourself about Lord of the Rings and The Economist – okay, sure – whatever you say hehe. But yes, The Economist does have some fantastic articles – although I’m not the most avid reader of it – so I’ll take your word on it and LOTR.

    Story telling is always a good way to go if you know how to do it properly – actually joey strawn does a great job of doing that. If you’re not familiar with his work – definitely check him out – he writes on his blog and @DannyBrown ‘s For Bloggers, By Bloggers.

    Thank you so much for always being such a super engager and commenter – and for your kind and supportive words :). I guess we are both indebted to Gini for having connected with each other :). So…Thank YOU Gin Gin :).

    Have a great Sunday

    Cheers to the Chief Alien

  • @3HatsComm Completely agree, Davina – and there’s no faster way to lose readers than to make them feel that you’re talking down to them…

  • @3HatsComm Completely agree, Davina – and there’s no faster way to lose readers than to make them feel that you’re talking down to them…

  • @DannyBrown @3HatsComm I couldn’t agree more with this as well. That’s why you talk to and with your readers. Nothing worse than demeaning your audience or making them feel like you’re the shits and they’re not. But then again – that should be a given in everyday life as well.

  • @DannyBrown @3HatsComm I couldn’t agree more with this as well. That’s why you talk to and with your readers. Nothing worse than demeaning your audience or making them feel like you’re the shits and they’re not. But then again – that should be a given in everyday life as well.

  • @Griddy @3HatsComm Ingrid – do you ever sleep? 🙂

  • @Griddy @3HatsComm Ingrid – do you ever sleep? 🙂

  • @DannyBrown @3HatsComm Uhhhh…Hmm….I’m a bit nocturnal as you can see lol. But it’s Sunday tomorrow (I mean today) so I get to be lazy all day – except for finishing my SuperPost Sunday roundup that is :).

  • @DannyBrown @3HatsComm Uhhhh…Hmm….I’m a bit nocturnal as you can see lol. But it’s Sunday tomorrow (I mean today) so I get to be lazy all day – except for finishing my SuperPost Sunday roundup that is :).

  • @Shonali Just a couple though :).
    And thank you so much Shonali – that’s a wonderful compliment to receive. I’m very flattered that you think so.

    “Graciously, humorously and class” – three words I wish to live (lead my life) by.
    Forgive my late reply – I just saw this now.

  • @Shonali Just a couple though :).
    And thank you so much Shonali – that’s a wonderful compliment to receive. I’m very flattered that you think so.

    “Graciously, humorously and class” – three words I wish to live (lead my life) by.
    Forgive my late reply – I just saw this now.

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  • Those that know much more than I (everyone) say it’s the content that matter. I’ll add style/well written is also highly important. I’ll read a blog for enjoyment because it’s well written even though the content doesn’t offer info that interests me. I also look for blogs that offer content to help me grow. Length? Limiting length is a good self-editing tool for beginners. It’s hard to grow a following if readers have to slog through the mud to get to your point. If you’re offering great stuff and writing for a purpose other than growing a following, length is immaterial. As a blog consumer, if it’s too long it just wasn’t good enough. If it’s good but time or concentration are in my way, I’ll come back later to read great content.

  • Those that know much more than I (everyone) say it’s the content that matter. I’ll add style/well written is also highly important. I’ll read a blog for enjoyment because it’s well written even though the content doesn’t offer info that interests me. I also look for blogs that offer content to help me grow. Length? Limiting length is a good self-editing tool for beginners. It’s hard to grow a following if readers have to slog through the mud to get to your point. If you’re offering great stuff and writing for a purpose other than growing a following, length is immaterial. As a blog consumer, if it’s too long it just wasn’t good enough. If it’s good but time or concentration are in my way, I’ll come back later to read great content.

  • HowieSPM

    @Griddy @ginidietrich @DannyBrown @joeystrawn wow Griddy that answer was worth the wait. We are starting to approach the record for comments. More than half way there. You might make the Top 10 list for 2011 and its only 23 days into the year. I guarantee you will take the crown or tiara for most words combining blog post and responses. Definitely by far. As for my counting. I have a degree in Finance. And trust me as you saw during the Housing and FInancial Crisis here is Finance types are very good with numbers. 2 + 2 can equal anything we decide it to be. So 300 Million Thousand could be the length. Right now I have a crate of apples helping me to count word by word. So far its up to 287 Crates and 19 Oranges. I use the Oranges when I have to carry a decimal or divide by the square root. All us Finance folks do it this way. You should see how many Crates of Apples @meganbeausang uses at Arment-Detriech cosidering the flood of cash pouring through their doors every morning. But when I am done calculating I will give you a proper count.

    Obviously you ar every popular. I could only dream of being so popular. My guest post I think had like 18 responses with 6 being my own…sigh. But hey if there is a way for your posse to help you become a member of Parliment since I believe a new Government is being formed we can have either an email, a letter, or a call in campaign. Let us know what you need. Plus I will have crates of Apples I can send you soon after I complete the word count. Giving out free food on the streets often increases how many votes you get.

    Thanks for sharing Think Traffic going to check it out. You are always so kind and thoughtful Griddy!

  • HowieSPM

    @Griddy @ginidietrich @DannyBrown @joeystrawn wow Griddy that answer was worth the wait. We are starting to approach the record for comments. More than half way there. You might make the Top 10 list for 2011 and its only 23 days into the year. I guarantee you will take the crown or tiara for most words combining blog post and responses. Definitely by far. As for my counting. I have a degree in Finance. And trust me as you saw during the Housing and FInancial Crisis here is Finance types are very good with numbers. 2 + 2 can equal anything we decide it to be. So 300 Million Thousand could be the length. Right now I have a crate of apples helping me to count word by word. So far its up to 287 Crates and 19 Oranges. I use the Oranges when I have to carry a decimal or divide by the square root. All us Finance folks do it this way. You should see how many Crates of Apples @meganbeausang uses at Arment-Detriech cosidering the flood of cash pouring through their doors every morning. But when I am done calculating I will give you a proper count.

    Obviously you ar every popular. I could only dream of being so popular. My guest post I think had like 18 responses with 6 being my own…sigh. But hey if there is a way for your posse to help you become a member of Parliment since I believe a new Government is being formed we can have either an email, a letter, or a call in campaign. Let us know what you need. Plus I will have crates of Apples I can send you soon after I complete the word count. Giving out free food on the streets often increases how many votes you get.

    Thanks for sharing Think Traffic going to check it out. You are always so kind and thoughtful Griddy!

  • @HowieSPM
    Howie, Taoists are never popular. We’re in the biz of pointing out the obvious and making it sound both mystical and simple at the same time – no one wants to hear that crap. Besides, laughing at how funny nearly everything is gets creepy fast.

    I’ll never understand popular, either, but I just let it go. It’s … one of those really funny things, iddn’t it?

  • @HowieSPM
    Howie, Taoists are never popular. We’re in the biz of pointing out the obvious and making it sound both mystical and simple at the same time – no one wants to hear that crap. Besides, laughing at how funny nearly everything is gets creepy fast.

    I’ll never understand popular, either, but I just let it go. It’s … one of those really funny things, iddn’t it?

  • Hey Guys,

    Just wanted to thank each and every one of ya’s for all these amazing comments you left here. To say they were valuable and thorough would be an understatement. WOW and WOW again!

    If I haven’t replied to yours yet – I will for sure! I always do my best :).

    I apologize for the delay (seeing the time difference and the amount of pennies that have been shared) and I will make sure to get to yours very soon.

    Thanks for all your support, your views and your patience. I’m learning a ton from you all and it’s great getting to know you a little in the process.

    Thanks again Gin Gin for putting up with my longish thoughts ;).

    Happy Sunday Spin Sucks readers
    Cheers

  • Hey Guys,

    Just wanted to thank each and every one of ya’s for all these amazing comments you left here. To say they were valuable and thorough would be an understatement. WOW and WOW again!

    If I haven’t replied to yours yet – I will for sure! I always do my best :).

    I apologize for the delay (seeing the time difference and the amount of pennies that have been shared) and I will make sure to get to yours very soon.

    Thanks for all your support, your views and your patience. I’m learning a ton from you all and it’s great getting to know you a little in the process.

    Thanks again Gin Gin for putting up with my longish thoughts ;).

    Happy Sunday Spin Sucks readers
    Cheers

  • Ingrid, Sorry I hadn’t got here sooner to comment but I only started reading your post and then the follow up comments on Friday, so I’m ahead of schedule getting to the comment. : )

    There’s a general rule of thumb that your post needs to be as long as it needs to be to get your point across and short enough so it doesn’t seem like you’re rambling or out of things to say. I, myself, don’t really have a word-count that I stick strictly to (anyone who reads me regularly will know that sometimes my posts reach well over 1,500 words and sometimes are under the 50 or even 10-word mark. It’s all about telling your story and you do that magnificently.

    I’ll read bloggers like @DannyBrown and @ginidietrich and yourself no matter how long the posts are because of how much value they bring. One thing to stay weary of though is training your audience to expect one thing or another. I know personally if I come across a Seth Godin post that’s longer than 100 words I merely skim it because I come in expecting a short, meaty post.
    I love to play with styles and lengths and pictures because I love the process of showing meaning with words and pictures and tend to read bloggers who do the same. You are definitely in that list and I don’t care how long your posts or comments are because they always bring value, and that’s the most important thing to keep in mind when you’re writing.

    Keep up the great work!

  • Ingrid, Sorry I hadn’t got here sooner to comment but I only started reading your post and then the follow up comments on Friday, so I’m ahead of schedule getting to the comment. : )

    There’s a general rule of thumb that your post needs to be as long as it needs to be to get your point across and short enough so it doesn’t seem like you’re rambling or out of things to say. I, myself, don’t really have a word-count that I stick strictly to (anyone who reads me regularly will know that sometimes my posts reach well over 1,500 words and sometimes are under the 50 or even 10-word mark. It’s all about telling your story and you do that magnificently.

    I’ll read bloggers like @DannyBrown and @ginidietrich and yourself no matter how long the posts are because of how much value they bring. One thing to stay weary of though is training your audience to expect one thing or another. I know personally if I come across a Seth Godin post that’s longer than 100 words I merely skim it because I come in expecting a short, meaty post.
    I love to play with styles and lengths and pictures because I love the process of showing meaning with words and pictures and tend to read bloggers who do the same. You are definitely in that list and I don’t care how long your posts or comments are because they always bring value, and that’s the most important thing to keep in mind when you’re writing.

    Keep up the great work!

  • @joey_strawn @ginidietrich Seth Godin writes long posts? Crud, who have I been reading all these years??? 😉

    Completely agree on don’t give your readers a fals expectation – most of the blogs I read are of varying length posts, and it’s for the value reasons you state. But I stopped reading one blogger because they started getting stale and basically you could tell they were just posting it in. Gotta keep our attention as readers – plenty of others will if you don’t.

    And cheers for the kind words, mate, appreciate it.

  • @joey_strawn @ginidietrich Seth Godin writes long posts? Crud, who have I been reading all these years??? 😉

    Completely agree on don’t give your readers a fals expectation – most of the blogs I read are of varying length posts, and it’s for the value reasons you state. But I stopped reading one blogger because they started getting stale and basically you could tell they were just posting it in. Gotta keep our attention as readers – plenty of others will if you don’t.

    And cheers for the kind words, mate, appreciate it.

  • HectorCuevas

    Great post……………….
    …….

    ..
    …………OK, OK – I’ll leave a long comment (I wouldn’t wanna be the only one with a short one)

    I gotta say, you were right about keeping your readers engaged from the very beginning; I probably would’ve stopped reading if it wasn’t so dam interesting. Writing like this takes time to perfect. I know I didn’t have it in me when I first got started, so that’s why I stuck to short (300 words) posts.

    Well, THAT and the “rule” of writing short posts that I was reading about all around the blogoshere.

    It gets easier with time and practice. You start to figure out how to hook your audience and how to introduce new ideas in ways that excites them. You’re great at this Ingrid – keep it up.

    ..that was my LONG way of saying.. Great post 🙂

  • HectorCuevas

    Great post……………….
    …….

    ..
    …………OK, OK – I’ll leave a long comment (I wouldn’t wanna be the only one with a short one)

    I gotta say, you were right about keeping your readers engaged from the very beginning; I probably would’ve stopped reading if it wasn’t so dam interesting. Writing like this takes time to perfect. I know I didn’t have it in me when I first got started, so that’s why I stuck to short (300 words) posts.

    Well, THAT and the “rule” of writing short posts that I was reading about all around the blogoshere.

    It gets easier with time and practice. You start to figure out how to hook your audience and how to introduce new ideas in ways that excites them. You’re great at this Ingrid – keep it up.

    ..that was my LONG way of saying.. Great post 🙂

  • newbizblogger

    Amen girlfriend! Woohoo… write on! LOL.

    Seriously though, I’ve always been back and forth of to write long post or not. At the end of the day it came do writing until it was complete. If that turned out to be 500 great (which is rare 😉 ) or 1500 (yup, more like me), then so be it!

    The beautiful thing is as you said, if you can engage your readers then that’s all that really matters and the rest makes little difference.

    Great article Ingrid! Enjoyed every 1179 words of it. 😉

  • newbizblogger

    Amen girlfriend! Woohoo… write on! LOL.

    Seriously though, I’ve always been back and forth of to write long post or not. At the end of the day it came do writing until it was complete. If that turned out to be 500 great (which is rare 😉 ) or 1500 (yup, more like me), then so be it!

    The beautiful thing is as you said, if you can engage your readers then that’s all that really matters and the rest makes little difference.

    Great article Ingrid! Enjoyed every 1179 words of it. 😉

  • @newbizblogger Hey Michele,
    Boy do I love your enthusiasm hehe.

    How good of you stop and take the time to read and comment – and with such fabulous words of support 🙂 YaY and Thank YOU.

    I’m obviously like you on that one – I write what I think needs to be written or until I’m satisfied with it – where I can read it to myself and think: this is good, entertaining and useful for others or…this sucks let’s fix it up so that my readers and I will read it till the end and get something out of it.

    And yes, being able to get your readers to engage or at least react somehow is always great. That’s one of the main blogging goals after all.

    It looks like you’ve got a different word count there – 1179. Now I’m confused haha. I thought it was 1139 when I wrote it (excluding the subheadings), @skypulsemedia says it’s 300 million thousand and @ginidietrich says it’s 1254 LOL.

    Hmmm…mirror, mirror on the wall…
    Damn, it’s Gini’s blog – so… 😉

    Thanks again for your kind words Ms. Welch
    Happy Sunday
    Cheers

  • @newbizblogger Hey Michele,
    Boy do I love your enthusiasm hehe.

    How good of you stop and take the time to read and comment – and with such fabulous words of support 🙂 YaY and Thank YOU.

    I’m obviously like you on that one – I write what I think needs to be written or until I’m satisfied with it – where I can read it to myself and think: this is good, entertaining and useful for others or…this sucks let’s fix it up so that my readers and I will read it till the end and get something out of it.

    And yes, being able to get your readers to engage or at least react somehow is always great. That’s one of the main blogging goals after all.

    It looks like you’ve got a different word count there – 1179. Now I’m confused haha. I thought it was 1139 when I wrote it (excluding the subheadings), @skypulsemedia says it’s 300 million thousand and @ginidietrich says it’s 1254 LOL.

    Hmmm…mirror, mirror on the wall…
    Damn, it’s Gini’s blog – so… 😉

    Thanks again for your kind words Ms. Welch
    Happy Sunday
    Cheers

  • @HectorCuevas Hey Hector,
    Awesome of you stop by and share your thoughts on this – thank you very much.

    It seems I’m contagious with my long comments haha – well, that or people do indeed enjoy sharing their views no matter how many words they need to express them. And I for one, couldn’t be happier about that :)!.

    I’m so impressed by the length as well as the added value that all these amazing comments have brought.

    I’m glad that you didn’t stop reading and that I was able to captivate you from the start. It means I achieved one of my goals with this piece :).

    When I started blogging – I had read nothing about blogging nor the “rules” or the length “norm”, nor anything. I knew about blogging, SEO (still do do much about that one lol), the people they refer to as A-listers, Brogan and Godin – zilch, nada!

    I just knew I wanted to write and I would take it from there. Little by little I learned and I too came across many posts suggesting that the shorter the better. But hey, it was my blog so I said what the hell. If my article is short and good – great. If I need to ramble or include more words of insight – then great again!

    I did and still do whatever works for me depending on the topic I’m writing about. And of course, in the process, I consider my audience and try to cater my words to them.

    I’m glad this method of mix and match is working for me and that my readers are enjoying (generally – cause I can’t please everyone of course) my posts.

    What takes time is getting to know your audience. And with every new reader and commenter you learn more and more.

    Thank you again for using the longish way of saying “great post” – I certainly appreciate it :).

    Have a great Sunday
    Cheers

  • @HectorCuevas Hey Hector,
    Awesome of you stop by and share your thoughts on this – thank you very much.

    It seems I’m contagious with my long comments haha – well, that or people do indeed enjoy sharing their views no matter how many words they need to express them. And I for one, couldn’t be happier about that :)!.

    I’m so impressed by the length as well as the added value that all these amazing comments have brought.

    I’m glad that you didn’t stop reading and that I was able to captivate you from the start. It means I achieved one of my goals with this piece :).

    When I started blogging – I had read nothing about blogging nor the “rules” or the length “norm”, nor anything. I knew about blogging, SEO (still do do much about that one lol), the people they refer to as A-listers, Brogan and Godin – zilch, nada!

    I just knew I wanted to write and I would take it from there. Little by little I learned and I too came across many posts suggesting that the shorter the better. But hey, it was my blog so I said what the hell. If my article is short and good – great. If I need to ramble or include more words of insight – then great again!

    I did and still do whatever works for me depending on the topic I’m writing about. And of course, in the process, I consider my audience and try to cater my words to them.

    I’m glad this method of mix and match is working for me and that my readers are enjoying (generally – cause I can’t please everyone of course) my posts.

    What takes time is getting to know your audience. And with every new reader and commenter you learn more and more.

    Thank you again for using the longish way of saying “great post” – I certainly appreciate it :).

    Have a great Sunday
    Cheers

  • @joey_strawn @DannyBrown @ginidietrich Joey,
    What a pleasure it is to see you here “Oh, great story-teller” ;). And thank you for all those kind words you left for me. I’m truly flattered and if you could see me right now, you’d know that I have a big smile on my face :D.

    No need to apologize whatsoever my friend. With a comment like yours, you could have left it in a month and I’d still be happy to read it and reply to it.

    The rule of thumb that you pointed out is 110% true – at least for me it is. I do tend to ramble at times – but if I’m gonna’ do it, I’ll make sure it’s somewhat entertaining in order to not put my audience – or myself – to sleep.

    You story-telling style posts are so good that I would actually be sad to see one that’s 50 words lol. I always want more of your writing. You do it so well and always manage to leave us with some fantastic take-aways.

    But if you were to write one that’s 50 words short – then I’m sure you have a reason and I have no doubt that it would rock just as much. Either way – I’m all over it lol.

    It’s funny what you said about your audience getting use to expecting a certain lengths from you. I know mine expects a longer type post but I do mix it up – I don’t always have THAT much to say haha.

    However – what I’ve come to notice (for me) is that they expect a long comment from me always now. That’s fine too but it kinda puts the pressure on lol. I mean there are times when I just want to say a few things and then I’m out. Sometimes you can get your message across in just a few lines when commenting on another blog post.

    You’d be surprised how many times I’ve heard someone say “Ingrid – don’t forget to leave one of your mega comments” or something along those lines. And when they do – although it’s great to hear and I’m flattered – I’m not left with much of a choice haha. What if I have nothing to say? What if I only have 2 or 3 points to make? Should I just start rambling so that I can fill up the lines?

    Kudos on @DannyBrown and @ginidietrich – I couldn’t agree more. They could write a frickin’ 200 page novel for all I care – and I would still read it for I know to expect great insight. Both have their own unique styles and voices and both manage to keep us till the end.

    As for Seth Godin – I do read his little nuggets of wisdom once in a while but in all honesty – even though I know he’s amazing – I’m not the most avid of readers. There are many places I visit first. But again – he’s great at what he does and deserves a ton of credit.

    I’m afraid I’ve left you with another of my novels here lol. Hope this one is worth the read as well.

    Thanks again for the ego-boosting words you said about me. I really appreciate every single one of them.

  • @joey_strawn @DannyBrown @ginidietrich Joey,
    What a pleasure it is to see you here “Oh, great story-teller” ;). And thank you for all those kind words you left for me. I’m truly flattered and if you could see me right now, you’d know that I have a big smile on my face :D.

    No need to apologize whatsoever my friend. With a comment like yours, you could have left it in a month and I’d still be happy to read it and reply to it.

    The rule of thumb that you pointed out is 110% true – at least for me it is. I do tend to ramble at times – but if I’m gonna’ do it, I’ll make sure it’s somewhat entertaining in order to not put my audience – or myself – to sleep.

    You story-telling style posts are so good that I would actually be sad to see one that’s 50 words lol. I always want more of your writing. You do it so well and always manage to leave us with some fantastic take-aways.

    But if you were to write one that’s 50 words short – then I’m sure you have a reason and I have no doubt that it would rock just as much. Either way – I’m all over it lol.

    It’s funny what you said about your audience getting use to expecting a certain lengths from you. I know mine expects a longer type post but I do mix it up – I don’t always have THAT much to say haha.

    However – what I’ve come to notice (for me) is that they expect a long comment from me always now. That’s fine too but it kinda puts the pressure on lol. I mean there are times when I just want to say a few things and then I’m out. Sometimes you can get your message across in just a few lines when commenting on another blog post.

    You’d be surprised how many times I’ve heard someone say “Ingrid – don’t forget to leave one of your mega comments” or something along those lines. And when they do – although it’s great to hear and I’m flattered – I’m not left with much of a choice haha. What if I have nothing to say? What if I only have 2 or 3 points to make? Should I just start rambling so that I can fill up the lines?

    Kudos on @DannyBrown and @ginidietrich – I couldn’t agree more. They could write a frickin’ 200 page novel for all I care – and I would still read it for I know to expect great insight. Both have their own unique styles and voices and both manage to keep us till the end.

    As for Seth Godin – I do read his little nuggets of wisdom once in a while but in all honesty – even though I know he’s amazing – I’m not the most avid of readers. There are many places I visit first. But again – he’s great at what he does and deserves a ton of credit.

    I’m afraid I’ve left you with another of my novels here lol. Hope this one is worth the read as well.

    Thanks again for the ego-boosting words you said about me. I really appreciate every single one of them.

  • @joey_strawn Ooops I forgot to tell you:
    Happy Sunday to ya Mr. Strawn
    and…
    Cheers 🙂

  • @joey_strawn Ooops I forgot to tell you:
    Happy Sunday to ya Mr. Strawn
    and…
    Cheers 🙂

  • @DannyBrown Agree, agree and agree! 🙂

  • @DannyBrown Agree, agree and agree! 🙂

  • @EricaAllison @ginidietrich @Shonali @3HatsComm @HowieSPM @hackmanj Erica – what kind words you said there :). Thank you so much – I truly appreciate them.

    I’m doing my best to reply to everyone in a timely manner – but unfortunately the time difference is a bit of a bummer. I’m at least 7 hours ahead of the rest of the US (some states even more).

    People have left such amazing comments – not to mention – long, valuable, thoughtful, insightful and all the other great and positive adjectives. So it is only normal and polite that I address each with the same thoroughness. As you can imagine – I’ve been doing quite a bit of typing the last 2 days hahaha – but loving every minute of it.

    When I first started blogging – never in a million years did I think I would meet and connect with such incredible individuals like I have. I’m truly lucky and blessed to be enjoying the engagement that I have with each and to be learning from them and about them.

    And yes – @ginidietrich does a splendid job of answering comments – and she does so with passion, style and insight.

    Oh, and if that was the wine talking – then I say keep drinking hehe :).
    But from your kindness and well composed phrases – I would say they came naturally to you and you meant them :).

    Thanks again for coming back to reply. Really appreciate it. I look forward to connecting with you more in the future.

    Happy Sunday
    Cheers (wine and all lol)

  • @EricaAllison @ginidietrich @Shonali @3HatsComm @HowieSPM @hackmanj Erica – what kind words you said there :). Thank you so much – I truly appreciate them.

    I’m doing my best to reply to everyone in a timely manner – but unfortunately the time difference is a bit of a bummer. I’m at least 7 hours ahead of the rest of the US (some states even more).

    People have left such amazing comments – not to mention – long, valuable, thoughtful, insightful and all the other great and positive adjectives. So it is only normal and polite that I address each with the same thoroughness. As you can imagine – I’ve been doing quite a bit of typing the last 2 days hahaha – but loving every minute of it.

    When I first started blogging – never in a million years did I think I would meet and connect with such incredible individuals like I have. I’m truly lucky and blessed to be enjoying the engagement that I have with each and to be learning from them and about them.

    And yes – @ginidietrich does a splendid job of answering comments – and she does so with passion, style and insight.

    Oh, and if that was the wine talking – then I say keep drinking hehe :).
    But from your kindness and well composed phrases – I would say they came naturally to you and you meant them :).

    Thanks again for coming back to reply. Really appreciate it. I look forward to connecting with you more in the future.

    Happy Sunday
    Cheers (wine and all lol)

  • @JamesDBurrell2 I made it Jamey – I made it! And I truly am sorry to have kept you waiting so long :(. My bad.

    Now you know I absolutely love it when you stop by one of my posts and share the most amazing words. You’re a gem and you know that I honestly think that.

    You have such a way with words – and they’re always a pleasure to read – whether on my posts or elsewhere. I think @ginidietrich will agree with me there.

    And whether time was a constraint in your comment or not – it certainly doesn’t show – for the novella that you left was indeed WOW :).

    I try to think that I do a bit of both – the nuggets and the stories – although it’s obvious that I much enjoy the stories – or at least their length. It really isn’t on purpose though. I just start writing and that’s that!

    I may one of the few that still hasn’t seen inception so whether you stole the idea or not – doesn’t make a difference to me – I like it hehe!

    I’ve had that movie sitting in front of me for quite some time but still haven’t gotten around to it. I was never much of a sci-fi chick – but I hear it’s worth it so I may just cave one of these days.

    As for you being a storyteller – you are indeed and a great one at that. I’ve read each one of your posts on your new blog LifeAsAnExperiment.com and needless to say that they’re a pleasure to read. Short or long – I’ll be there!

    Keep up what you’re doing and you’ll have people memorized by your intelligent and captivating words as well as your kind and gentleman-like nature.

    Thanks again for your patience and your super comment Jamey. I’m always appreciative of your support.

    Hope you’re having a great Sunday
    Cheers Mr. Burrell
    “GriddyPants” – over and out 😉

  • @JamesDBurrell2 I made it Jamey – I made it! And I truly am sorry to have kept you waiting so long :(. My bad.

    Now you know I absolutely love it when you stop by one of my posts and share the most amazing words. You’re a gem and you know that I honestly think that.

    You have such a way with words – and they’re always a pleasure to read – whether on my posts or elsewhere. I think @ginidietrich will agree with me there.

    And whether time was a constraint in your comment or not – it certainly doesn’t show – for the novella that you left was indeed WOW :).

    I try to think that I do a bit of both – the nuggets and the stories – although it’s obvious that I much enjoy the stories – or at least their length. It really isn’t on purpose though. I just start writing and that’s that!

    I may one of the few that still hasn’t seen inception so whether you stole the idea or not – doesn’t make a difference to me – I like it hehe!

    I’ve had that movie sitting in front of me for quite some time but still haven’t gotten around to it. I was never much of a sci-fi chick – but I hear it’s worth it so I may just cave one of these days.

    As for you being a storyteller – you are indeed and a great one at that. I’ve read each one of your posts on your new blog LifeAsAnExperiment.com and needless to say that they’re a pleasure to read. Short or long – I’ll be there!

    Keep up what you’re doing and you’ll have people memorized by your intelligent and captivating words as well as your kind and gentleman-like nature.

    Thanks again for your patience and your super comment Jamey. I’m always appreciative of your support.

    Hope you’re having a great Sunday
    Cheers Mr. Burrell
    “GriddyPants” – over and out 😉

  • @Griddy Hah, I am SO late on replies to my own blog, but I will get there. So you’re like the hare in “The Hare and the Tortoise.” :p

  • @Griddy Hah, I am SO late on replies to my own blog, but I will get there. So you’re like the hare in “The Hare and the Tortoise.” :p

  • @Griddy Your comments are like fine wine, worth the wait. Back to the subject matter of your post; one day I may be capable of shorter posts, but for now, I enjoy writing lengthier ones too much to change.

  • @Griddy Your comments are like fine wine, worth the wait. Back to the subject matter of your post; one day I may be capable of shorter posts, but for now, I enjoy writing lengthier ones too much to change.

  • @barryrsilver Hi Barry,
    Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts here – I appreciate it.

    Yes, the content will indeed make or break any post – but I definitely agree with you in saying that the style and tone/voice that a post is in – makes a big difference.

    It’s just as much about how you retain your audience – how you engage with them and keep them captivated till the last word – as it is about the topic at hand.

    I’ve come across many topics that If ind boring in general but that I think will be beneficial to me somehow. But depending on how the information is presented and even how long the post is (if it’s a topic that wouldn’t generally interest me) is what will determine if I read it or not.

    Each writer has their own style and comfort zone. Some prefer the shorter posts whereas others prefer to write a little more.

    To me, it doesn’t matter – long or short – as long as I think that my readers can benefit from the post somehow all while being entertained in the process.

    That’s why each blogger should learn to know their audience and find a way to engage with them and get them to participate in the post or conversation.

    But like you said – our moods to sometimes play a role in what we choose to read at a particular time or not. Thank goodness for bookmarking hehe.

    Thanks again for sharing your 2 cents.
    Have a nice day.
    Cheers

  • @barryrsilver Hi Barry,
    Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts here – I appreciate it.

    Yes, the content will indeed make or break any post – but I definitely agree with you in saying that the style and tone/voice that a post is in – makes a big difference.

    It’s just as much about how you retain your audience – how you engage with them and keep them captivated till the last word – as it is about the topic at hand.

    I’ve come across many topics that If ind boring in general but that I think will be beneficial to me somehow. But depending on how the information is presented and even how long the post is (if it’s a topic that wouldn’t generally interest me) is what will determine if I read it or not.

    Each writer has their own style and comfort zone. Some prefer the shorter posts whereas others prefer to write a little more.

    To me, it doesn’t matter – long or short – as long as I think that my readers can benefit from the post somehow all while being entertained in the process.

    That’s why each blogger should learn to know their audience and find a way to engage with them and get them to participate in the post or conversation.

    But like you said – our moods to sometimes play a role in what we choose to read at a particular time or not. Thank goodness for bookmarking hehe.

    Thanks again for sharing your 2 cents.
    Have a nice day.
    Cheers

  • @Shonali With dogs? Really? You mean like Jack Bauer ;). Okay – I’ll give you talking to the “imaginary” dog – but squirrels?! I don’t know Shonali hehe.

  • @Shonali With dogs? Really? You mean like Jack Bauer ;). Okay – I’ll give you talking to the “imaginary” dog – but squirrels?! I don’t know Shonali hehe.

  • @Shonali Hahaha! I like that I’m the Hare in this story. But a few people who had to wait a day or so for a reply may label me the latter ;).

  • @Shonali Hahaha! I like that I’m the Hare in this story. But a few people who had to wait a day or so for a reply may label me the latter ;).

  • @JamesDBurrell2 In that case – don’t change a thing :).

    As for the wine analogy: Me + a big smile saying Thank you! But wait…you’re obviously referring to a 1945 bottle of Château Pétrus of course – right? 😉 lol.

  • @JamesDBurrell2 In that case – don’t change a thing :).

    As for the wine analogy: Me + a big smile saying Thank you! But wait…you’re obviously referring to a 1945 bottle of Château Pétrus of course – right? 😉 lol.

  • Daveisbell

    @Griddy @Daveisbell Ingrid, your comments in the reply you just sent to me were as valuable as your original post I commented on. I’m not a professional “mass-communicator” (since the majority of my work revolves around inter/intra-personal communication) but I have learned much from Gini and her team. I know I can always count on her to introduce me to other people that I can learn from and I’m glad to have been “introduced” to you via this blog post! I look forward to reading more from you on your blog and, hopefully, we’ll have the chance to tweet when the right moment strikes.

    Take Care!

  • Daveisbell

    @Griddy @Daveisbell Ingrid, your comments in the reply you just sent to me were as valuable as your original post I commented on. I’m not a professional “mass-communicator” (since the majority of my work revolves around inter/intra-personal communication) but I have learned much from Gini and her team. I know I can always count on her to introduce me to other people that I can learn from and I’m glad to have been “introduced” to you via this blog post! I look forward to reading more from you on your blog and, hopefully, we’ll have the chance to tweet when the right moment strikes.

    Take Care!

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  • JustinGermino

    The answer depends on the purpose of the website you are writing for, if you are writing for a site that is known for in depth articles, reviews, how to guides, tutorials…etc then longer articles are expected for readers. If you write for sites that are about breaking news, excerpts or summaries and quick updates in the style of many personal blogs then shorter articles are better.

    If you look at Helium or AssociatedContent as two major writing networks they both recommend a minimum 600 words (Helium) and 400 words (AssociatedContent) A/C these type of portal aggregate sites rarely hold a reader on topic for more than a few minutes. But detailed sites which produce articles less frequently tend to have much longer articles.

    I always think longer articles are better for metrics like “Bounce Rate” but there are many articles written which are long winded, rambling and probably should be shorter and concise (not saying that about your articles of course).

    Content indexing is also important, and if you have time to write 1 1,500 word article per day or 3 500 word articles per day, I would always choose the 3 500 word articles or break a longer article up into series. This is because only indexes 1 URL 1x, and you can get 3 indexed links on Google with 3 posts than you can with 1 long post, and Google Search Results are very important to bringing in readership.

    I find myself Retweets aren’t necessarily articles read, too many people will retweet just because they saw a friend tweet about it or another respected blogger, few read more than the 1st and last paragraphs to absorb the “gist” and then just retweet and comment or move on.

  • JustinGermino

    The answer depends on the purpose of the website you are writing for, if you are writing for a site that is known for in depth articles, reviews, how to guides, tutorials…etc then longer articles are expected for readers. If you write for sites that are about breaking news, excerpts or summaries and quick updates in the style of many personal blogs then shorter articles are better.

    If you look at Helium or AssociatedContent as two major writing networks they both recommend a minimum 600 words (Helium) and 400 words (AssociatedContent) A/C these type of portal aggregate sites rarely hold a reader on topic for more than a few minutes. But detailed sites which produce articles less frequently tend to have much longer articles.

    I always think longer articles are better for metrics like “Bounce Rate” but there are many articles written which are long winded, rambling and probably should be shorter and concise (not saying that about your articles of course).

    Content indexing is also important, and if you have time to write 1 1,500 word article per day or 3 500 word articles per day, I would always choose the 3 500 word articles or break a longer article up into series. This is because only indexes 1 URL 1x, and you can get 3 indexed links on Google with 3 posts than you can with 1 long post, and Google Search Results are very important to bringing in readership.

    I find myself Retweets aren’t necessarily articles read, too many people will retweet just because they saw a friend tweet about it or another respected blogger, few read more than the 1st and last paragraphs to absorb the “gist” and then just retweet and comment or move on.

  • ginidietrich

    @Griddy I added editor’s notes so those count!

  • ginidietrich

    @Griddy I added editor’s notes so those count!

  • ginidietrich

    @DannyBrown @joey_strawn @Griddy Guess I’d better get started on my 12 book fiction series, then! I have three buyers already!

  • ginidietrich

    @DannyBrown @joey_strawn @Griddy Guess I’d better get started on my 12 book fiction series, then! I have three buyers already!

  • ginidietrich

    @Griddy I hope my mom doesn’t see you calling me Gin Gin. She’s the only person who has ever called me that!

  • ginidietrich

    @Griddy I hope my mom doesn’t see you calling me Gin Gin. She’s the only person who has ever called me that!

  • ginidietrich

    @hackmanj @Griddy Joe, I told her I’d have to have her back more regularly so our community gets used to her craziness!

  • ginidietrich

    @hackmanj @Griddy Joe, I told her I’d have to have her back more regularly so our community gets used to her craziness!

  • ginidietrich

    @Griddy @HowieSPM I have nothing to add to the two of you.

  • ginidietrich

    @Griddy @HowieSPM I have nothing to add to the two of you.

  • ginidietrich

    @TonyH I want to do this challenge! I’d be really good at it!

  • ginidietrich

    @TonyH I want to do this challenge! I’d be really good at it!

  • @ginidietrich @hackmanj Moi and craziness in the same sentence? Hmmm… LOL
    And Gini – I’d love to be back! Thank you!

  • @ginidietrich @hackmanj Moi and craziness in the same sentence? Hmmm… LOL
    And Gini – I’d love to be back! Thank you!

  • @ginidietrich Phewww…Does that mean my post is more on the “shorter” side now? 😉 Oh, and way to come out and say that here in a teeny tiny comment instead of writing in capital/bold letters in the post! lol

  • @ginidietrich Phewww…Does that mean my post is more on the “shorter” side now? 😉 Oh, and way to come out and say that here in a teeny tiny comment instead of writing in capital/bold letters in the post! lol

  • @ginidietrich @Griddy she did a great job keeping the conversations going. Very engaging, it was fun 🙂

  • @ginidietrich @Griddy she did a great job keeping the conversations going. Very engaging, it was fun 🙂

  • @hackmanj @ginidietrich Aww, thanks Joe :). I’m hoping there was some usefulness along with the fun – whether in the post itself or in the amazing comments and conversations that have taken place here.

    I think a lot of people had some insightful things to share – including their personal experiences and preferences.

  • @hackmanj @ginidietrich Aww, thanks Joe :). I’m hoping there was some usefulness along with the fun – whether in the post itself or in the amazing comments and conversations that have taken place here.

    I think a lot of people had some insightful things to share – including their personal experiences and preferences.

  • @ginidietrich @TonyH I bet you would be Gini.
    What the heck! I’m in as well :).
    I was gonna’ negotiate the 1 minute rule t hough – but it looks like I won’t have to after all – since Tony already cancelled out that restriction. Pheww… 🙂

  • @ginidietrich @TonyH I bet you would be Gini.
    What the heck! I’m in as well :).
    I was gonna’ negotiate the 1 minute rule t hough – but it looks like I won’t have to after all – since Tony already cancelled out that restriction. Pheww… 🙂

  • @TonyH Tony – I truly apologize for keeping you waiting for a reply and I thank you for your patience.

    Oh, I’m also gonna’ thank you again now for leaving such a super comment and for getting us all excited about such a plug in and maybe even an experiment of the sort :)!

    I’ve actually never watched that show – although I do watch the BBC quite often – I’ll make sure to see when it’s on to try and catch it sometime.

    Well, it sounds like MUN and debate class all over again – back in high school :).

    I would agree with you about deviation and repetition being easy to judge. As for hesitation – a bit more difficult though. Besides the blah blah or taking time getting to the point. Actually – that’s where a time restriction could come in handy. Obviously not the 1 minute rule – but maybe 30 or 40 instead. You get a topic and you have to present a good case for it.

    The time factor would kind of limit you from “going all around the houses” as you say – for seeing that it’s a written piece – some of it would be used to research the topic at hand to find straight up facts or valuable information to support your claim.

    I think you could be on to something there Tony – all jokes aside.
    And like I said – I’m down for joining the development team of such a plugin ;). Although I’m terrible at the technical and coding side LOL. So we need to find me another job for this collaboration.

    You’ve already got a few contenders my friend. I’m a bit scared now though hehe.

    Thanks for your insightful comment Tony. And I certainly appreciated the kind words you left for me. Thank you Mr. Hastings :).

    Cheers and have a great week.

  • @TonyH Tony – I truly apologize for keeping you waiting for a reply and I thank you for your patience.

    Oh, I’m also gonna’ thank you again now for leaving such a super comment and for getting us all excited about such a plug in and maybe even an experiment of the sort :)!

    I’ve actually never watched that show – although I do watch the BBC quite often – I’ll make sure to see when it’s on to try and catch it sometime.

    Well, it sounds like MUN and debate class all over again – back in high school :).

    I would agree with you about deviation and repetition being easy to judge. As for hesitation – a bit more difficult though. Besides the blah blah or taking time getting to the point. Actually – that’s where a time restriction could come in handy. Obviously not the 1 minute rule – but maybe 30 or 40 instead. You get a topic and you have to present a good case for it.

    The time factor would kind of limit you from “going all around the houses” as you say – for seeing that it’s a written piece – some of it would be used to research the topic at hand to find straight up facts or valuable information to support your claim.

    I think you could be on to something there Tony – all jokes aside.
    And like I said – I’m down for joining the development team of such a plugin ;). Although I’m terrible at the technical and coding side LOL. So we need to find me another job for this collaboration.

    You’ve already got a few contenders my friend. I’m a bit scared now though hehe.

    Thanks for your insightful comment Tony. And I certainly appreciated the kind words you left for me. Thank you Mr. Hastings :).

    Cheers and have a great week.

  • Daniel8Lopes

    @Griddy Once again sorry about the delay, busy weekend..
    I’m almost afraid to keep the conversation going, i’ve only now noticed that your post has reached the 150 comments (GEEZUZ!).
    But anyway, yes you did wrote an engaging text, (i believe the comments speak for themselves). I’ll be hoping to read more from you soon.
    Sorry to have to keep this short, but as I said, very busy end of month for me.

    Best Regards

  • Daniel8Lopes

    @Griddy Once again sorry about the delay, busy weekend..
    I’m almost afraid to keep the conversation going, i’ve only now noticed that your post has reached the 150 comments (GEEZUZ!).
    But anyway, yes you did wrote an engaging text, (i believe the comments speak for themselves). I’ll be hoping to read more from you soon.
    Sorry to have to keep this short, but as I said, very busy end of month for me.

    Best Regards

  • @Griddy Nope, real dogs. As in Suzy Q, my corgi mix who is also my “COO.”

    As for the squirrel, I’ve named him Back Yard Squirrel or BYS for short. He’s a perky chap. Very talkative.

  • @Griddy Nope, real dogs. As in Suzy Q, my corgi mix who is also my “COO.”

    As for the squirrel, I’ve named him Back Yard Squirrel or BYS for short. He’s a perky chap. Very talkative.

  • @Griddy Well, then they need to take a chill pill.

  • @Griddy Well, then they need to take a chill pill.

  • @Shonali Luckily, everyone has been so wonderful and patient! I’m really appreciative. As I would hate to respond with a half-ass answer to everyone who took the time to comment.

  • @Shonali Luckily, everyone has been so wonderful and patient! I’m really appreciative. As I would hate to respond with a half-ass answer to everyone who took the time to comment.

  • @Griddy I guess our definitions of fine wine are slightly different. I was thinking more like a nice 2008 vintage of Franzia. Nothing says class like good ol’ boxed wine.
    As far as Inception is concerned, it’s one of those movies that leaves you critically analyzing the film for days & weeks after seeing it. I love that and I gather you do as well.
    PS the franzia thing was a broma.

  • @Griddy I guess our definitions of fine wine are slightly different. I was thinking more like a nice 2008 vintage of Franzia. Nothing says class like good ol’ boxed wine.
    As far as Inception is concerned, it’s one of those movies that leaves you critically analyzing the film for days & weeks after seeing it. I love that and I gather you do as well.
    PS the franzia thing was a broma.

  • @Shonali I hear ya about Suzy Q :). I use to talk to my baby Cleo all the time. Now I hope she can still hear me from that special Heavenly doggy farm she went to a few years ago :(. It’s unfortunate they don’t live as long as we do.

    As for the squirrels – I use to have a ton of them in my back yard in Boston – one baby one in particular who used to come to the back door everyday around the same time so I could feed him Wonder bread :). He would just sit and wait until I came outside – loved

    Shoot, I never named him. Now I feel guilty lol.

  • @Shonali I hear ya about Suzy Q :). I use to talk to my baby Cleo all the time. Now I hope she can still hear me from that special Heavenly doggy farm she went to a few years ago :(. It’s unfortunate they don’t live as long as we do.

    As for the squirrels – I use to have a ton of them in my back yard in Boston – one baby one in particular who used to come to the back door everyday around the same time so I could feed him Wonder bread :). He would just sit and wait until I came outside – loved

    Shoot, I never named him. Now I feel guilty lol.

  • @JamesDBurrell2 Hahaha – boxed wine – Oh, how I miss seeing those. Well, I hope that Franzia is at least one of the “high end” ones – with a tap and all lol.

    I really should watch that movie – I’ve heard so much about it. Will have to make sure my thinking cap is on when I do though. It might require a little more thought (and less singing) than “Sound of Music” ;).

  • @JamesDBurrell2 Hahaha – boxed wine – Oh, how I miss seeing those. Well, I hope that Franzia is at least one of the “high end” ones – with a tap and all lol.

    I really should watch that movie – I’ve heard so much about it. Will have to make sure my thinking cap is on when I do though. It might require a little more thought (and less singing) than “Sound of Music” ;).

  • @Griddy You could’ve called him Wonder Bread Squirrel. WBS. :p

  • @Griddy You could’ve called him Wonder Bread Squirrel. WBS. :p

  • @Griddy If you are going to reference a musical, I’d prefer “My Fair Lady” to “Sound of Music”. Do I risk ostracizing myself for liking the former more than the latter? Well, that’s just how I feel, and I’m not taking it back.

    All I want is a room somewhere, far away from the cold night air. With one enormous chair; Oh wouldn’t it be loverly?

    And yes, Franzia has a tap. High. Class. Period.

  • @Griddy If you are going to reference a musical, I’d prefer “My Fair Lady” to “Sound of Music”. Do I risk ostracizing myself for liking the former more than the latter? Well, that’s just how I feel, and I’m not taking it back.

    All I want is a room somewhere, far away from the cold night air. With one enormous chair; Oh wouldn’t it be loverly?

    And yes, Franzia has a tap. High. Class. Period.

  • @JamesDBurrell2 My Fair Lady it is Mr. Higgins :). Although “the hills are alive” do make for a good shower tune ;). And let us not forget that you are 16 and I am 17!

    Pheww…glad to hear bout the tap – I was worried there for a minute lol.

  • @JamesDBurrell2 My Fair Lady it is Mr. Higgins :). Although “the hills are alive” do make for a good shower tune ;). And let us not forget that you are 16 and I am 17!

    Pheww…glad to hear bout the tap – I was worried there for a minute lol.

  • @Griddy

    2 replies to my comment Ingrid, I am indeed honoured 🙂

    I too lack the technical knowledge, I am just the ideas man but I do claim all intellectual rights (Ha Ha). I think it would be technically impossible to run live so the time restriction wouldn’t apply, hesitation would just arise when the author was not getting to the point, maybe call it prevarication instead.

    The way I see it the author would post their article, the reader can ‘Challenge’ using the button provided adding the reason for the challenge, the author would accept or deny the challenge, a huge argument would erupt that we all would enjoy and then one or the other would be awarded points to be displayed with their challenge button much as with this Livefyre thing.

    The difficulty will lie though in deciding whether the challenge is valid, who will decide? Maybe you could add a vote button so that we could be the arbiters of that decision? My idea is running away with itself now! I think I should just stick to adding my usual ‘Thanks for the reply Ingrid’ before the men in white coats come for me.

    Cheers

    Tony

  • @Griddy

    2 replies to my comment Ingrid, I am indeed honoured 🙂

    I too lack the technical knowledge, I am just the ideas man but I do claim all intellectual rights (Ha Ha). I think it would be technically impossible to run live so the time restriction wouldn’t apply, hesitation would just arise when the author was not getting to the point, maybe call it prevarication instead.

    The way I see it the author would post their article, the reader can ‘Challenge’ using the button provided adding the reason for the challenge, the author would accept or deny the challenge, a huge argument would erupt that we all would enjoy and then one or the other would be awarded points to be displayed with their challenge button much as with this Livefyre thing.

    The difficulty will lie though in deciding whether the challenge is valid, who will decide? Maybe you could add a vote button so that we could be the arbiters of that decision? My idea is running away with itself now! I think I should just stick to adding my usual ‘Thanks for the reply Ingrid’ before the men in white coats come for me.

    Cheers

    Tony

  • @JustinGermino Hi Justin,
    I appreciate you taking the time to stop by and leave that thoughtful comment – htank you.

    I think what you said in your first paragraph could boil down to knowing your audience and that of the site you’re writing for. Therefore a mix and match – in my opinion – is always good thing.

    I think that the length and what can be said can also depend on the topic at hand. If it’s a step by step tutorial – then maybe it should be clear and to the point – and whether that means a short or long piece – will all depend on the level of complexity of what you’re trying to explain or point out.

    As for breaking news, updates and so forth – then as you said – short pieces may be better.

    I’m familiar with both AC and Helium (although this one much less) and I actually wasn’t aware of the minimum words required for each – thanks for sharing that :).

    It’s true about detailed sites that post less frequently – at least that’s what I’ve been noticing. That is actually why I used Glen Allsop (ViperChill) as an example – and obviously there are others. A few self-development sites that I have come across tend to have their posts on the longish side as well.

    It’s funny what you mentioned about Bounce Rate – a couple people noted that and the SEO factor as well – in regards to longer posts. I’ve never taken either into consideration as I write mine (whether long or short) – which is probably not a good thing. I also have the entire post appear on my site instead of where you have to read more to continue and I think that may affect my Bounce Rate as well – I’m actually having that redesigned as we speak, errr… I mean as I type hehe.
    But again – for aesthetic purposes much more.

    You brought up another great point about Content Indexing and mentioned that maybe turning an article into a series is a good idea. I don’t think I’ve had anything close to 3,500 words yet (except maybe for this comment or my GP on Traffic Generation Cafe haha) but in case I do – I will take into consideration what you said. Thanks for that. You see – that’s why I love when people take the time to comment and share their input – there’s always a lot to learn or consider :)).

    I always say you can learn as much for the comments as you can from a post – and you’ve clearly proven that here with your take on things.

    I’d like to think that everyone is like me when it come to RTing something – but I know that’s not the case. I tend to read everything or at least skim thoroughly what I throw back out there on Twitter. But you’re absolutely right when you say that many people will RT because some else they like or admire did it first. It’s understandable but I’m sticking to my principle of “read before I share” just to make sure what I’m sharing is actually something that I either enjoyed, found valuable, or think that others can like and benefit from.

    Obviously I could go as I have quite a few things I’ve left out here but I wanted to make sure I address your very valuable points and it seems I’ve already left you with a novel to read hehe.

    Thanks again Justin for your excellent input. I appreciate it.
    I hope you found this “little” post of mine here as entertaining as it was useful.

    Have a great day.
    Cheers

    PS – Keep rockin’ it over at Dragon Blogger – great stuff! 🙂

  • @JustinGermino Hi Justin,
    I appreciate you taking the time to stop by and leave that thoughtful comment – htank you.

    I think what you said in your first paragraph could boil down to knowing your audience and that of the site you’re writing for. Therefore a mix and match – in my opinion – is always good thing.

    I think that the length and what can be said can also depend on the topic at hand. If it’s a step by step tutorial – then maybe it should be clear and to the point – and whether that means a short or long piece – will all depend on the level of complexity of what you’re trying to explain or point out.

    As for breaking news, updates and so forth – then as you said – short pieces may be better.

    I’m familiar with both AC and Helium (although this one much less) and I actually wasn’t aware of the minimum words required for each – thanks for sharing that :).

    It’s true about detailed sites that post less frequently – at least that’s what I’ve been noticing. That is actually why I used Glen Allsop (ViperChill) as an example – and obviously there are others. A few self-development sites that I have come across tend to have their posts on the longish side as well.

    It’s funny what you mentioned about Bounce Rate – a couple people noted that and the SEO factor as well – in regards to longer posts. I’ve never taken either into consideration as I write mine (whether long or short) – which is probably not a good thing. I also have the entire post appear on my site instead of where you have to read more to continue and I think that may affect my Bounce Rate as well – I’m actually having that redesigned as we speak, errr… I mean as I type hehe.
    But again – for aesthetic purposes much more.

    You brought up another great point about Content Indexing and mentioned that maybe turning an article into a series is a good idea. I don’t think I’ve had anything close to 3,500 words yet (except maybe for this comment or my GP on Traffic Generation Cafe haha) but in case I do – I will take into consideration what you said. Thanks for that. You see – that’s why I love when people take the time to comment and share their input – there’s always a lot to learn or consider :)).

    I always say you can learn as much for the comments as you can from a post – and you’ve clearly proven that here with your take on things.

    I’d like to think that everyone is like me when it come to RTing something – but I know that’s not the case. I tend to read everything or at least skim thoroughly what I throw back out there on Twitter. But you’re absolutely right when you say that many people will RT because some else they like or admire did it first. It’s understandable but I’m sticking to my principle of “read before I share” just to make sure what I’m sharing is actually something that I either enjoyed, found valuable, or think that others can like and benefit from.

    Obviously I could go as I have quite a few things I’ve left out here but I wanted to make sure I address your very valuable points and it seems I’ve already left you with a novel to read hehe.

    Thanks again Justin for your excellent input. I appreciate it.
    I hope you found this “little” post of mine here as entertaining as it was useful.

    Have a great day.
    Cheers

    PS – Keep rockin’ it over at Dragon Blogger – great stuff! 🙂

  • @TonyH
    Tony,

    Thanks for coming back and elaborating some more on this idea that could in fact turn into something pretty neat :).

    I think you may have a point about the time restriction and going live – but maybe we can do something similar to what livefyre does here with it’s live commenting system.

    The time however may pose a challenge – at least in my case. For one the time difference and second internet speeds – this may not apply to you guys, but where I live the internet is in rather “slow mode” compared to the rest of Europe and North America.

    I like the idea of the “vote” button :). And by all means – let the ideas run where they take ya – cause they’re looking good to a few of us so far :).

    Oh, and you know that Chefs and scientists wear white coats too right? hehehe

    Now I know that these aren’t the ones you were referring too – but hey if they were – one could feed us while we type away and the other could analyze the idea and perfect it a little more. Just my 2 cents LOL ;).

    Thanks again Tony.

    So when can we expect this idea to go live? Huh? Huh? We’re waiting…lol

    Have a great week and excellent guest post you wrote here. I’m getting a comment ready for you ;).

    Cheers

  • @TonyH
    Tony,

    Thanks for coming back and elaborating some more on this idea that could in fact turn into something pretty neat :).

    I think you may have a point about the time restriction and going live – but maybe we can do something similar to what livefyre does here with it’s live commenting system.

    The time however may pose a challenge – at least in my case. For one the time difference and second internet speeds – this may not apply to you guys, but where I live the internet is in rather “slow mode” compared to the rest of Europe and North America.

    I like the idea of the “vote” button :). And by all means – let the ideas run where they take ya – cause they’re looking good to a few of us so far :).

    Oh, and you know that Chefs and scientists wear white coats too right? hehehe

    Now I know that these aren’t the ones you were referring too – but hey if they were – one could feed us while we type away and the other could analyze the idea and perfect it a little more. Just my 2 cents LOL ;).

    Thanks again Tony.

    So when can we expect this idea to go live? Huh? Huh? We’re waiting…lol

    Have a great week and excellent guest post you wrote here. I’m getting a comment ready for you ;).

    Cheers

  • @Daniel8Lopes Hey Daniel,

    Yeah, this post has generated quite a few comments indeed :). I’m thrilled that so many wonderful people (such as yourself) took the time to read this post and share their views.

    Thank you very much for your thoughtful words.
    Best of luck with all your work.

    Cheers

  • @Daniel8Lopes Hey Daniel,

    Yeah, this post has generated quite a few comments indeed :). I’m thrilled that so many wonderful people (such as yourself) took the time to read this post and share their views.

    Thank you very much for your thoughtful words.
    Best of luck with all your work.

    Cheers

  • MADphilips

    So many rules to follow this days and most times you just end up more confused than where you started from. In the final analysis, it’s first breaking all the rules that matters. Make your own rules, period. Following all the rules out there will make blogging another job and eventually disable that creative freedom being on your permits. I don’t want to write with restrictions, I want to write with passion and that means in the most literal term – I’m not the one writing, rather the writing is being done through me. So pardon if sometimes my posts gets past the 1000 mark to as far as 3000+ words. It’s just the leading of the creative muse inside of me, who am I to fight it?

  • MADphilips

    So many rules to follow this days and most times you just end up more confused than where you started from. In the final analysis, it’s first breaking all the rules that matters. Make your own rules, period. Following all the rules out there will make blogging another job and eventually disable that creative freedom being on your permits. I don’t want to write with restrictions, I want to write with passion and that means in the most literal term – I’m not the one writing, rather the writing is being done through me. So pardon if sometimes my posts gets past the 1000 mark to as far as 3000+ words. It’s just the leading of the creative muse inside of me, who am I to fight it?

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  • kristinanugent

    Hey Ingrid – You definitely hit upon a tension that I have yet to resolve myself: wordiness. When you spend so much time thinking about, and working with your own words, you gain an intense appreciation for anyone who knows how to string their thoughts together clearly and effectively. Left to my own devices, I think I wouldn’t quite know when to stop writing. At the same time, I know that all good writing is concise — hence, the tension. I sometimes wonder if my posts are too long, and who that might be scaring away. But like you, I also definitely don’t want to obsess over it on a daily basis, which could just lead to not posting or participating at all — guess it is what it is and we all improve with practice.

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