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The Future of Google+: Social Network or Search Enhancer?
I’ve been thinking a lot about Google+ since they launched their business pages last week.
You see, it was announced at the same time that Joe Thornley, Martin Waxman, and I were recording Inside PR. So we all happened to be on the page watching it happen in real-time.
Google+ announced at 1 p.m. CT and, by 1:11 (yes, just 11 minutes later), Toyota already had more than 3,000 followers.
We asked one another the question, “How is that possible?”
While we talked, I began to dig. The Muppets had more than 6,000 followers and Pepsi was nearing 2,000.
Sure, it makes sense that a social network with 41 million users could attract that many followers. But these are brand pages. And they collected their followers in less than 15 minutes.
Slate had something to say on this in their article, “Google+ Is Dead,”
Considering Google’s marketing muscle—it hasn’t been shy about directing Web searchers to Google+, and everyone who’s logged in to a Google account sees the Google+ toolbar at the top of every Google page—it would be a surprise if Google+ didn’t have so many users.
Here is what I think is going on:
- Google has been working with companies, behind the scenes, to build their brand pages and collect followers through search and employees, so at launch the perception is everyone is flocking to Plus.
- Google has paid brands (both company and personal) to jump to Plus and bring their networks with them.
- Google is less concerned about having a social network and more concerned about improving search and giving us, as individuals, customized information.
- Google is counting “users” as those with Gmail addresses and not necessarily those who have signed up for Plus.
The interesting thing is, after more than a week, Toyota and Pepsi have both stalled in their growth. The Muppets have nearly 30,000 followers, which isn’t surprising when you can Hangout with Miss Piggy and Kermie.
Google+ isn’t dead, nor is it a Facebook killer.
Google+ is built for search and, the best way to do that, is to invite us into a social network where we post information about ourselves that the behemoth can then use both for good (for marketers) and for evil (for consumers).
They can’t crawl Facebook, but they sure can crawl their own social network.
So now it’s up to you to decide how customized you want your web experience to be and, based on that, what you +1, search, and post online.
Always be cautioned: The web is not Vegas…what happens here does not stay here.
Unfortunately, I don't think that Google+ will be the next big thing in social networking. I think that it will simply evolve as a search engine. For its field I think this is a great opportunity because no one else has really thought about revamping a simple search engine. I think this will mean big money for Google.
Very interesting opinion. When G+ first came out I was of the impression that it would overtake Facebook in a very short amount of time. But as I continued to watch I was none too sure, yet G+ was still growing. I agree with what ginidietrich says, "Google+ isn’t dead, nor is it a Facebook killer." I also have trouble getting over there to post and consider myself a big 'Facebook Buff,' yet after reading this I will be far more careful! Thanks for the insight.
MichaelBesson I love Facebook and I don't want to see it die. I don't love G+ (yet), but I try. I'm like you - I have trouble getting there.
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So glad I checked in and read this. Perhaps I'm naive, but if your bullet points are accurate I have huge Integrity issues with it all.I'm still in G+, but I have to FORCE myself to remember to post in there - it seems so irrelevant to my clients.
AmyMccTobin It's pretty scary, as a consumer. But as a marketer, I really love the data they're providing me.
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I still think G+ is better than FB. I like G+...though not enough to actually use it more than once per week. I still use Tweetdeck and Twitter as my main social media platform.
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ExtremelyAvg Oh see. I love Facebook. Almost as much as I love Twitter. G+, to me, just isn't addictive yet.
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ginidietrichExtremelyAvg Me too!!! It's become cool to hate on Facebook and here's my theory:If you're a Big Time Social Media Star and you make your money off of loads of followers who fall in love with you it's a problem on FB, because so much of what makes FB work is Genuine Interaction - not pre-scheduled Tweets.It doesn't surprise me that some of the Kings of Twitter can't make it on FB. It's not a place to just shill your stuff; it's a place to really connect.
AmyMccTobinExtremelyAvg I like that theory. And I love Facebook.
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AmyMccTobin ginidietrich I don't dislike FB per se, but like some of my friends on Twitter, I use it for people I've known for years. My FB connections are not very into SM and as such, don't interact as much as my Twitter buddies.
I am a firm believer that the platform which provides the most frequent random acts of cuteness wins. I am powerless against videos of cats unleashing adorablness upon the world.
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Smarter search benefits all of us. Like you have been doing a lot of thinking on it and think these five things (http://espo4.me/vgf9qZ) show a power tool to fill our addiction to the G-suite of products.
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jeffespo I'm glad you linked to your blog post because I missed it! Headed over there now.
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I haven't spent enough time on google plus.But I think anything that will help people find relevant quality information is good. I am glad every time they knock down on poor quality sites, like the panda update - it increased my traffic by about 10%.Hopefully they will keep sorting it out and more quality sites will show up higher in the results.
DanielMWood I really do think it's going to help customize our searches. I like that.
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I just need to add this au contraire to your last line. I use this as a word of caution to my clients all the time:
"What happens online, stays online...FOREVER"
usually only if you don't want it online. Put an embarassing picture online, and try to erase it, I dare you.
The internet is best described not as a bunch of computers talking to each other, but as a giant copy machine.
But thanks for the ideas on G+ I haven't quite figured out my relationship with it yet. I find that if I engage in too many networks, I don't use any of them effectively.
damian.dayton That's what I meant...what you put on the web is there forever. It doesn't stay in one little place like Vegas, never to be heard of again. Maybe my pun didn't work?
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I'm so struggling with the G+ Pages. I set up our page like a dutiful little SM junky, but have wanted to take it down since before I even set it up. Yet somehow (and likely the search bit) I can't bring myself to take it down either. I still see G+ as us SM geeks. I just dont see my customers there yet.... Stupid Google...
MSchechter haha. I did the same thing. Built my page, and then sat there and said "Now what?". LIterally said it out loud to myself. Posting content there isn't as easy as it is on FB. Do I post duplicate content? Or what? So...I've done nothing with it. But I worry less about that because I don't see anyone really there to look at it.
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KenMueller You could post videos. Or one, in particular.
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I don't know that I'm struggling to figure out what to do, I'm just struggling with what I want to do that wouldn't perform better elsewhere. I feel like this is bet hedging rather than focusing in on what's working...
KenMuellerMSchechter As soon as I posted on my Brand page one of my photog. friends asked if I'd still post personally... but of course I can't duplicate.It's one more chore for me now.... and I don't have time for more chores. FB is incredibly important to my business, and Twitter is where I get to have exchanges, both fun and business oriented.... I have no clue how G+ fits in.I'm still convinced that we have entered the Age of Filtration... I'm down to reading 5 blogs ONLY. I want to stop adding and be more focused.
AmyMccTobinMSchechter Just hope that nothing else comes along soon! The only reason I'm paying attention to G+ is because it is from Google, so it isn't like a bare bones startup.
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MSchechter Why do you want to take it down?
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ginidietrich Just gets to feel like too little butter spread over too much toast. We do our social on our own, we have a limited amount of resources and to a certain extent I can't help but feel our efforts to speak to humans who might buy our products are better served on FB and Twitter. That said, the need to speak to computers is very real and keeps me from killing it.
I can see some interesting use cases for Hangouts, but for the most part, it doesn't fill a need, it just gives me another thing and another thing isn't always a good thing. In fact, it rarely is...
MSchechter But you'll keep it up, just in case? That's what we're doing. Not lots of engagement, but I also think we need to be there. Just in case.
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ginidietrich For the minute, but I'm not sure how much time and resources I'm going to dedicate to it and wonder if that is worse. Am I better off with a crappy place holder or a hole... Would have been far more excited if this brought Places and Pages together (then again, I'm betting it will at some point soon). Just would see more of a use...
MSchechter Me too...I wonder how long it'll be before they integrate everything?
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ginidietrich I'm really surprised they didn't do it off the bat, but that seems to be the MO. Launch, then integrate.
MSchechterginidietrich I feel the same way. I'm there, but only because I don't want to be caught off guard.
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KenMuellerginidietrich Besides, and I doubt I'm alone here, if we think we are doing this for SEO, it is going to end up sounding like it...
MSchechterginidietrich You may be right. Which I find troubling. Because if that's the case, it changes the rules in a bad way
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ginidietrichMSchechter Google+, the Just In Case Social Media platform.Maybe you should suggest that as a tagline.
MSchechter isn't SM a bit kinky for a nice boy from NY?
Ok sorry ginidietrich just took your blog in a new direction but hopefully it doubles your readership 8)\
MSchechter Abso-freakin-lutely Michael. SM/Tech geeks and photographers...I'm setting up clients "just in case."
What I find is that I'm learning more from people on G+. Facebook is for personal interactions with friends, and G+ seems to be where I stumble upon folks who are friendly peers wishing to share knowledge with each other.
I've also read that G+ is more like "internet glue", meaning it allows its users to collect and discuss information readily and without a lot of interruption.
As for me, I'm having fun learning.
Suzi_C I definitely think there is value in that. I'm just not sure it's dead (as Slate said) nor that It will kill Facebook. I think we'll all figure out what it means to each of us, just like you've done.
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Oh Lordy, we know what happens when you start thinking a lot............it either gets you into trouble, or some pretty amazing things come out of it.
What? You mean whatever I write here other people might be reading this as well. I don't recall that being in the terms of agreement. If that don't beat all.........
I'm sorry, I can't stop it; I really don't have anything intelligent to say (I know, like that's a shocker). Yes, I'm signed up on Google + and I'm sure there is a practical use in there for me somewhere; but I'm ok being just ambitious enough to exist on twitter and a blog only. Everything else sounds like work and I try to avoid that at all costs if possible.
Maybe skypulsemedia will let me tag onto his comment because it looks like he actually something good to say.
Have a good one.
bdorman264 So which was it?Did I get in trouble or say something amazing?
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ginidietrichbdorman264 you said something Troubly Amazing Gini!
ginidietrich From a trouble standpoint that was pretty benign, so I will have to go with incredibly amazing.........:)
Curious how many of the 'followers' did so for intelligence purposes. Long ago I followed and fanned many brands on Twitter and Facebook, not to ever interact but soley to see what they do and what works and what doesn't.
How many of the Toyota followers are employees? I mean they have what 200,000+ workers world wide? What if 2500 were employees? Or people in the Ad Industry/Social Media Industry. When they came out there was a post by Google highlighting some of the new pages. Fox News was one. Wish I had taken a screen shot. They immediately had 10 negative comments for every one positive comment. The moderator was saying 'Ok you are being blocked and you are being blocked and you are being blocked' And I laughed because none of the comments were nasty or foul language. Mostly comedy.
And I thought how for a big brand only having one person able to use the page could seriously be suicide. The Fox News example? TOO MANY COMMENTS TO REACT TOO! LOL Even funnier you don't have to add a Brand to a circle to comment.
I see good things here. G+ is much more conversational than Facebook. I think it will be a much better marketing platform over all. Time will tell. I am already miffed there is no choice for PR/Advertising/Marketing for business type.
HowieSPM I think a lot of the followers are definitely people just kinda watching...
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HowieSPM But how can they get that many followers in 10 minutes? I feel like Google is trying to pull the wool over our eyes. I'm like you - i'll follow brands for competitive reasons and to get good ideas. But in 10 minutes?
You like G+ because you hate Facebook.
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ginidietrichKenMueller curious how many people are on G+ solely because they hate facebook. I myself did not leave Facebook for G+. Lots lacking there still.
But yes in 10 minutes that is pretty crazy. Maybe there is some shifty biz going on?
There is a conference today and I saw a tweet for me that Facebook Brand Pages for big brands had a 0.14% CTR for links posted. The person who shared that with me has had many email exchanges over the accuracy of 'impressions' which is way way inflated. And I guess Facebook was inflating the CTR the same way.
Brands will only leave Facebook for G+ if they have a higher ROI of some measurable sort. When I look at Agencies like Vitrue and Likeable and see what they show for work, they never ever give numbers for success (or failure) on Brand pages. So curious how many APPs are working for Brands if at all. Considering the average user uses one new APP every 40 days probably not a very big driver for businesses. Starbucks had a cool one where you could have a jackolatern with your face for Halloween. But no idea if 500 used it or 1 million.
So while the bar might be really low....I doubt G+ is close to leaping over it yet.
HowieSPMginidietrich I know a lot of people who WANT Google+ to succeed because they hate FB, and would rather be somewhere else. Though I think they forget how much they used to hate Google. And I don't know if the impressions were inflated, so much as people not understanding the definition of impressions. It's like a billboard. They calculate impressions based on the number of cars that drive by, and the average number of people in the cars. It's merely "potential" eyeballs. No way of knowing how many people actually did see it. Same with newspapers. If it loads on the page, even below the fold, it's still an impression. Which is why I just don't like impressions as a metric at all.
But, what brands need in order to leave FB for Google+, before they can measure ROI, is to know that there are actually people over there. I often use my family as a benchmark. I'm the only one on Google+. Four others are on FB. One other on twitter. My wife and kids have no interest in Google+. In fact, I'm not sure they would even know it exists if it weren't for living in the house with me and I mention it. They see no draw. They are the general public. They are the consumers. If they aren't there, the businesses won't go there.
But again, kinda what I alluded to in my post for today, I think the ROI of individual platforms is really tricky, and less important than looking at the big picture.
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They were part of the "partner brands": http://www.liveworld.com/socialvoice/2011/07/08/google-plus-for-brands/ I also had someone share a circle of these brands on Google+.
Cheers!
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ginidietrich Thanks for a great and fresh POV on #Google+ ... it's makes a lot of sense and is well thought out.
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